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No, not at all "<b>fiction"</b>. Just some corrections that need to
be made in naming the location of individual moorings. I marked
them up late in 2014 but did not have the opportunity to get the
info to PCMS. I will get this taken care of in the March meeting at
PCMS<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/16/2016 7:59 AM, Dan Gingras
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means the mooring report we have from them is totally
fiction!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">They
really need to correct this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dick Blidberg [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:blidberg@ausi.org">mailto:blidberg@ausi.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 11:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dan@dangingras.net">dan@dangingras.net</a>; Board of Directors
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:board@portsmouthyc.org"><board@portsmouthyc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>Not at all <b>fiction</b>.
Only the location names. Corrections need to be made in naming
the individual mooringlocation names. I marked them up in
late 2014 but did not have the opportunity to get the info to
PCMS. I will get this taken care of in the March meeting at
PCMS. I have attached a summary of the locations and other
info which is a compilation of the information we have as well
as what PCMS has<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dick <br>
<br>
The moorings in front of the PYC are:<br>
4267 - 60 ft of 3/4, <br>
2296 - 75 ft 0f 3/4, <br>
1716 - 75 ft of 3/4, <br>
140 - 50 ft of 5/8, <br>
2259 - 75 ft of 3/4, <br>
203 - 50 ft of 5/8<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
agree we should try one. One correction. Here are the
lengths of chain according to the mooring report from
Pepperell cove mooring:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mooring
203 \u2013 50 ft of ¾</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mooring
319 32 ft of ¾</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mooring
151 60ft of ¾</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mooring
2487 15ft of 5/8 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mooring
3167 40 ft of 5/8 chain</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Board [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dick Blidberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 8:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Board of Directors <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Here are my
thoughts on the buoys under discussion. Currently we have,
relatively light buoys (easily pushed around) which are
quite soft. The proposed buoys weigh a great deal more
(220#s approximately) and are relatively stiff/hard and have
less buoyancy.<br>
<br>
The buoys in front of the club have a maximum length of
chain of 75". This means that under many conditions the
buoy will be holding 400 # of chain (5.33 #s/ft), 2 pennants
at (a guess) 25 #s a piece and shackles/swivel etc of approx
10 - 15 + #s. Therefore the buoy will be supporting 450 or
460 #s. The total displacement of the buoy is approximately
14 cubic ft (Approx 830 #s). The buoy weight should be
about 220#s. The published net displacement is 610 #s.
This leaves a remaining displacement/buoyancy of about 260
#s. If we consider the current in the river to add less
than 200#s of drag, maximum, the buoy should remain on the
surface most of the time. If we add the wind loading, which
can be much more than that, on to the force applied to the
buoy, we must realize that the additional forces will cause
the buoy to be submerged at times during windy days. This
is not necessarily bad and actually will dampen the motion
of a moored boat but the buoy may be submerged beneath the
water and may not be seen by boaters entering the mooring
field. The current buoys have 750#s of buoyancy (135"
diameter) so we have not seen the same effect as they remain
on the surface. I am not sure this is a serious fault and
it really remains to be seen how the proposed buoys act
under real conditions. I do agree that it might be very
valuable to place one these buoys on a mooring and see what
happens. I do not think, however that we should make a
commitment to change all of the existing buoys right now as
there are a number of unanswered questions. I do agree with
Bud in that I think the bow of a moored boat will ride over
these buoys on tide changes. This may cause some scraping
of the hull since the buoy material is quite rigid or, in
the worst case cause damage from the hardware on the mooring
pendants scraping the hull. This rigidity can also cause
some loud bumping on the hull which can be an irritating
nuisance at night since they can be clearly heard inside the
boat. These issues have been what has helped make the
acceptance of this type of buoy very slow especially in
waters where the dynamics (waves, wind, and high currents)
are significant. We should also realize that changing all
of our moorings to this system would be an $18000-20,000
expense. I do, however, think we should experiment with one
to see how they act in our somewhat unique environment. I
can see both the pros and the cons of changing our mooring
buoys. <br>
<br>
Dick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/15/2016 6:58 PM, John Myles wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My two cents is that we have to go
5/8" minimum 3/4" will last longer and be more cost
effective on the chain. As for the pendent I have
done both in the river and found one to be safer as
two work against each other. I have had the shackle
back off with two. If you are concerned about chafe
you could go with a bridal but hard to do with block
line preferred over braided. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As for the winter test I don't see
the need as lone as the math works on the chain
weight, you really need a boat riding on it to truly
test it. <br>
<br>
Bud<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jan 15, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Roy Briscoe <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have some more information
about the top down approach of the mooring proposed:
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Last year we switched from the
underneath attachment to the top attachment to
resolve the issue of our pendents always wrapping
themselves around the bottom of the mooring and
then being unable to unwrap them easily and
sometimes having to square them away from the
dinghy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having them come out of the top
fixed the wrapping issue. But dual pendants still
twist around themselves. I think the issue is the
weight of the pendents and the hardware prevents
the swivel from swiveling, see attached picture.
This might be less of an issue with the mooring
float proposed, maybe, because all the hardware
would be on top and not hanging over the top. Also
the current is much stronger in front of the club
so that might pull up on the hardware so it can
swivel and get it off the mooring ball. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So we probably will want to
think about using the two pendent approach, they
are going to twist and it is going to cost twice
an much to maintain. I'm not sure I'd go with
double pendents at the IOS and Pepperrell Cove,
though I can see using them in front of the Club.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I like the proposed float
because there is room to store the pendents on
top, but the users will need to remember to place
them there when they drop them because they don't
automatically spring back and coil themselves up,
unless that is an option. Bottom line, I think
they will still end up in the water.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When we upgraded last year we
were told that the mooring hardware rules were
changing for 2016 and everything was going to
scale up in size. We opted to meet the 2016 rules
even though we didn't have too, so the chain and
pendent size went up one level, which of course
meant it was going to cost a little more. So we
may have to use heavier chain and larger pendents
this year if we do any work on the moorings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we put one of these out
front for the winter, would we put pendents on it
or just the float?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Roy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> From: <a
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> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:JohnC@myles.com">JohnC@Myles.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:19:20 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information<br>
> <br>
> The reasons to move to these floats from
the large balls are<br>
> <br>
> 1- Allow for the use of double pennants
(which would have prevented the<br>
> Osprey accident last year)<br>
> 2- Move the swivel to the top of the chain
and out of the water,<br>
> preventing potential of the pennant against
the swivel if it jams (which may<br>
> have been the cause of the osprey accident)<br>
> 3- Move the pennants out of the water to
eliminate growth and prevent<br>
> them from being run over (which happened a
couple of times last year)<br>
> <br>
> Dan<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: John Myles [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:JohnC@Myles.com">mailto:JohnC@Myles.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:47 AM<br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dan@dangingras.net">dan@dangingras.net</a>;
'Board of Directors' <<a
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> Subject: RE: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information<br>
> <br>
> At $550.00 it's about the same as the big
mooring balls to replace.<br>
> Bud<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Board [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:board-bounces@portsmouthyc.org">mailto:board-bounces@portsmouthyc.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Dan Gingras<br>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:40 AM<br>
> To: 'Board of Directors' <<a
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> Subject: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information<br>
> <br>
> Attached is what Nancy and I were
discussing.<br>
> <br>
> Dan<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Paul Roy [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:proy@proconinc.com">mailto:proy@proconinc.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:53 AM<br>
> To: 'Dan Gingras (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Subject: FW: Mooring Float Information<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Paul W. Roy<br>
> Director of Business Development | Client
Services<br>
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> 603.396.2352 cell<br>
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> From: Scott Dawes [<a
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:29 PM<br>
> To: Paul Roy<br>
> Cc: Liz Gilman<br>
> Subject: Mooring Float Information<br>
> <br>
> Mr. Roy,<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your interest in our mooring
floats. As requested, I've<br>
> attached some information to this e-mail in
PDF format for your review.<br>
> <br>
> All of our mooring floats come with the
non-marring fender deck ring and<br>
> have a twelve-year warranty for net
buoyancy and color.<br>
> <br>
> If you have any questions or if I can be of
any further assistance, please<br>
> do not hesitate to contact me.<br>
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> Respectfully,<br>
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> Scott Dawes<br>
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