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They have the wrong mooring numbers. <br>
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The moorings in front of the PYC are:<br>
4267 - 60 ft of 3/4, <br>
2296 - 75 ft 0f 3/4, <br>
1716 - 75 ft of 3/4, <br>
140 - 50 ft of 5/8, <br>
2259 - 75 ft of 3/4, <br>
203 - 50 ft of 3/4<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/2016 9:49 PM, Dan Gingras
wrote:<br>
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agree we should try one. One correction. Here are the
lengths of chain according to the mooring report from
Pepperell cove mooring:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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203 \u2013 50 ft of ¾<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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319 32 ft of ¾<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mooring
151 60ft of ¾<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mooring
2487 15ft of 5/8 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mooring
3167 40 ft of 5/8 chain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Board [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:board-bounces@portsmouthyc.org">mailto:board-bounces@portsmouthyc.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dick Blidberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 15, 2016 8:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Board of Directors
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:board@portsmouthyc.org"><board@portsmouthyc.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Here are my
thoughts on the buoys under discussion. Currently we have,
relatively light buoys (easily pushed around) which are quite
soft. The proposed buoys weigh a great deal more (220#s
approximately) and are relatively stiff/hard and have less
buoyancy.<br>
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The buoys in front of the club have a maximum length of chain
of 75". This means that under many conditions the buoy will
be holding 400 # of chain (5.33 #s/ft), 2 pennants at (a
guess) 25 #s a piece and shackles/swivel etc of approx 10 - 15
+ #s. Therefore the buoy will be supporting 450 or 460 #s.
The total displacement of the buoy is approximately 14 cubic
ft (Approx 830 #s). The buoy weight should be about 220#s.
The published net displacement is 610 #s. This leaves a
remaining displacement/buoyancy of about 260 #s. If we
consider the current in the river to add less than 200#s of
drag, maximum, the buoy should remain on the surface most of
the time. If we add the wind loading, which can be much more
than that, on to the force applied to the buoy, we must
realize that the additional forces will cause the buoy to be
submerged at times during windy days. This is not necessarily
bad and actually will dampen the motion of a moored boat but
the buoy may be submerged beneath the water and may not be
seen by boaters entering the mooring field. The current buoys
have 750#s of buoyancy (135" diameter) so we have not seen the
same effect as they remain on the surface. I am not sure this
is a serious fault and it really remains to be seen how the
proposed buoys act under real conditions. I do agree that it
might be very valuable to place one these buoys on a mooring
and see what happens. I do not think, however that we should
make a commitment to change all of the existing buoys right
now as there are a number of unanswered questions. I do agree
with Bud in that I think the bow of a moored boat will ride
over these buoys on tide changes. This may cause some
scraping of the hull since the buoy material is quite rigid
or, in the worst case cause damage from the hardware on the
mooring pendants scraping the hull. This rigidity can also
cause some loud bumping on the hull which can be an irritating
nuisance at night since they can be clearly heard inside the
boat. These issues have been what has helped make the
acceptance of this type of buoy very slow especially in waters
where the dynamics (waves, wind, and high currents) are
significant. We should also realize that changing all of our
moorings to this system would be an $18000-20,000 expense. I
do, however, think we should experiment with one to see how
they act in our somewhat unique environment. I can see both
the pros and the cons of changing our mooring buoys. <br>
<br>
Dick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/15/2016 6:58 PM, John Myles wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My two cents is that we have to go
5/8" minimum 3/4" will last longer and be more cost
effective on the chain. As for the pendent I have done
both in the river and found one to be safer as two work
against each other. I have had the shackle back off
with two. If you are concerned about chafe you could go
with a bridal but hard to do with block line preferred
over braided. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As for the winter test I don't see
the need as lone as the math works on the chain weight,
you really need a boat riding on it to truly test it. <br>
<br>
Bud<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jan 15, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Roy Briscoe <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have some more information about
the top down approach of the mooring proposed: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Last year we switched from the
underneath attachment to the top attachment to
resolve the issue of our pendents always wrapping
themselves around the bottom of the mooring and then
being unable to unwrap them easily and sometimes
having to square them away from the dinghy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Having them come out of the top
fixed the wrapping issue. But dual pendants still
twist around themselves. I think the issue is the
weight of the pendents and the hardware prevents the
swivel from swiveling, see attached picture. This
might be less of an issue with the mooring float
proposed, maybe, because all the hardware would be
on top and not hanging over the top. Also the
current is much stronger in front of the club so
that might pull up on the hardware so it can swivel
and get it off the mooring ball. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So we probably will want to think
about using the two pendent approach, they are going
to twist and it is going to cost twice an much to
maintain. I'm not sure I'd go with double pendents
at the IOS and Pepperrell Cove, though I can see
using them in front of the Club.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I like the proposed float because
there is room to store the pendents on top, but the
users will need to remember to place them there when
they drop them because they don't automatically
spring back and coil themselves up, unless that is
an option. Bottom line, I think they will still end
up in the water.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When we upgraded last year we
were told that the mooring hardware rules were
changing for 2016 and everything was going to scale
up in size. We opted to meet the 2016 rules even
though we didn't have too, so the chain and pendent
size went up one level, which of course meant it was
going to cost a little more. So we may have to use
heavier chain and larger pendents this year if we do
any work on the moorings.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we put one of these out front
for the winter, would we put pendents on it or just
the float?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Roy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> From: <a
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href="mailto:dan@dangingras.net"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dan@dangingras.net">dan@dangingras.net</a></a><br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:JohnC@myles.com">JohnC@Myles.com</a>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:board@portsmouthyc.org">board@portsmouthyc.org</a><br>
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:19:20 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information<br>
> <br>
> The reasons to move to these floats from the
large balls are<br>
> <br>
> 1- Allow for the use of double pennants
(which would have prevented the<br>
> Osprey accident last year)<br>
> 2- Move the swivel to the top of the chain
and out of the water,<br>
> preventing potential of the pennant against
the swivel if it jams (which may<br>
> have been the cause of the osprey accident)<br>
> 3- Move the pennants out of the water to
eliminate growth and prevent<br>
> them from being run over (which happened a
couple of times last year)<br>
> <br>
> Dan<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: John Myles [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:JohnC@Myles.com">mailto:JohnC@Myles.com</a>]<br>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:47 AM<br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:dan@dangingras.net">dan@dangingras.net</a>;
'Board of Directors' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:board@portsmouthyc.org">board@portsmouthyc.org</a>><br>
> Subject: RE: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information<br>
> <br>
> At $550.00 it's about the same as the big
mooring balls to replace.<br>
> Bud<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Board [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:board-bounces@portsmouthyc.org">mailto:board-bounces@portsmouthyc.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Dan Gingras<br>
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 9:40 AM<br>
> To: 'Board of Directors' <<a
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> Subject: [Board] FW: Mooring Float
Information<br>
> <br>
> Attached is what Nancy and I were discussing.<br>
> <br>
> Dan<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Paul Roy [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 8:53 AM<br>
> To: 'Dan Gingras (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Subject: FW: Mooring Float Information<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Paul W. Roy<br>
> Director of Business Development | Client
Services<br>
> 603.623.8811 ext 243<br>
> 603.396.2352 cell<br>
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> From: Scott Dawes [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:29 PM<br>
> To: Paul Roy<br>
> Cc: Liz Gilman<br>
> Subject: Mooring Float Information<br>
> <br>
> Mr. Roy,<br>
> <br>
> Thank you for your interest in our mooring
floats. As requested, I've<br>
> attached some information to this e-mail in
PDF format for your review.<br>
> <br>
> All of our mooring floats come with the
non-marring fender deck ring and<br>
> have a twelve-year warranty for net buoyancy
and color.<br>
> <br>
> If you have any questions or if I can be of
any further assistance, please<br>
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> Scott Dawes<br>
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