[Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide

Thu Jul 19 08:16:07 MDT 2018

Let me clarify any rumors that the dinghy dock is congested, it is not!

There are only 10 dinghies on docks on the road side with about 70' of face dock to tie them up to. There are 7 dinghies tied up under the pier, so we have a grand total of 17 dinghies signed up this year. Hardly crowded and in need of limiting how many we have though a limit of 30 for the future might be a good number.

If we can move an area of about 20 feet by 35 feet of rocks that are in front of the last dock, that would be great. Otherwise if we remove the last dock then that removes the impediment for the dinghies to get out from behind the other docks for most low tides.  And the dinghies tied to the last dock won't be getting damaged because they are bouncing on rocks for 3-4 hours a day. And if we remove dock 19, that makes room for another dinghy or two and removes another impediment for dinghies to get around at low tide.

Roy

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From: Board <board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org> on behalf of Scott Blidberg <scott.blidberg at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 1:16 PM
To: Board of Directors
Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide

Hi All, a few of my thoughts after following the discussion so far..

  *   Obviously, if we can solve this at minimal cost (and within current permits) it is worth at least exploring options!
  *   Removing floats on the dinghy docks seems somewhat counter-intuitive (particularly when it would come at an expense/loss), particularly with the amount of conversation recently on how congested the dinghy area has been and how we may need to limit the number of dinghys moving forward..
  *   I do feel it's important to keep in mind that there will always be times when the tides will dictate if/when some can use their boat.  In my last slip, for example, there were certain tides that I couldn't get the boat out and around the corner, so I just knew that for that 30 min - 1 hour window I just wasn't going out. I feel the pain of folks that may want to get out but can't due to tides, but scheduling accordingly is in some ways part of of the price of doing business on the river.

I'm in agreement in that I think actually looking at the permit sounds like the next critical step here, as until we know what would be in scope we are flying blind a bit.

-Scott

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 5:05 PM Dan Gingras <dgingras at comcast.net<mailto:dgingras at comcast.net>> wrote:

I think so.   We should look at the permit as Art Suggests, but I think if they used an excavator to remove the rocks, and it’s within the scope of the permit, we could kill two birds with one stone.

From: Board <board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org<mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org>> On Behalf Of Wesley Smith
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide

Dan

I have Pickering coming over today or tomorrow to look at replacing a pilling under the pier. Should we talk to them about removing some of the rocks?

Wes

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On Jul 18, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Dan Gingras <dgingras at comcast.net<mailto:dgingras at comcast.net>> wrote:

Art,

    We have a permit to remove the rocks, do you think that could be accomplished with an excavator and  “sort of” dredge at the same time.

Dan

From: Board <board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org<mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org>> On Behalf Of Arthur Dionne
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide

Roy,

It appears that you think that removing both Dock #18 and Dock #19 will solve the problem. I disagree! The only way to actually solve the problem is to dredge the area around the dinghy docks. In order to do that we will have to fight for permission to do the dredging and that will take time and will not be easy or inexpensive.

As for your point regarding selling both docks, while there is probably people that would buy them I am sure that we would have to take a significant financial loss. With regard to adding Dock #18 to the end of  finger Dock #26, it would raise two issues, (1) it would make its very difficult to enter and exit the Slips at the inner end of the face docks and (2) no doubt require the installation of an additional piling at the end of Dock #18 art a cost of at least  $1500 and we would still have to sell Dock #19.

There are no easy answers!

Arft

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From: Roy Briscoe <roysail at hotmail.com<mailto:roysail at hotmail.com>>
To: Arthur Dionne <adjd at aol.com<mailto:adjd at aol.com>>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org<mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org>>
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 10:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide

Yep that time line is accurate from what I recall. The unfortunate and unforeseen problem is the extension dock, #18, attached past the piling now puts any dinghy attached to #18 on the rocks at low tide and it blocks any dinghy tied up closer the pier from getting out.

I've attached some pictures from a "normal" low tide. You can see that the dinghies attached to the #16 & #17 are floating at low tide, but the ones attached to #18 are high and dry. Note the "Hover Craft" photo.

We could sell #18 & #19 to a PYC member or Craigslist it. Or move #18 to the end of #26 and have 2 spots for the launches, but it might make getting out of the face dock slips a bit tight, but it might be OK. And I think we would still need to move some rocks but maybe a lot less of them so they can get around the piling.

Not sure what the answer(s) is.

Roy

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Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide

Greetings,

            As far as I am aware, the small dinghy dock (Dock #19) was purchased and installed in 2016 at a cost of about $4500. At the time that it was installed, it was attached to the end of Dock #17 which is where the longer Dock #18 is now attached. Prior to the present configuration, Dock #18 was positioned in the spot where Dock #19 is presently positioned. The reason for the change in the positions of Dock #18 and Dock #19 was in effort to provide the most space for dinghys on the land side of the dinghy dock area. Obviously, if Dock #18 was in place where Dock #19 is now located it would extend further towards land than Dock #19 does now.

            We have had the problem of the dinghys grounding for a fairly long time and it appears the problem has gotten worse in spite of our efforts as the configuration of the river bottom surrounding the dinghy area has changed as more material (rocks and sand) has decreased the average depthof the dinghy area at low and high tide.

            From my point of view, removing Dock #19 will not appreciable help the situation. If it is decided to remove Dock #19, we will have to (1) store Dock #19 in our parking area or (2) sell Dock #19. Storing Dock #19 will result in losing a parking space in the parking lot and selling Dock #19 will most likely result in a financial loss. Whatever option we choose will not appreciable solve the dinghy grounding problem.

Regards,

Art

P.S. Sketch of the configuration of PYC’s docks is attached.

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Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide

Here are some pictures of the dinghy dock at low tide this past weekend. The tides this weekend were more extreme than usual, but you can see the issue with that last dinghy dock and the rocks. Any you can see how the small "T" extension also causes issues with pushing the dinghies even closer to shore and further into the mud.

There are 10 dinghies there and 7 under the pier. So there is plenty of room to tie up the dinghies even if we removed the short extension, which is really just in the way, and the last dock after the pilling.

Roy

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