From adjd at aol.com Wed Jul 18 09:39:19 2018 From: adjd at aol.com (Arthur Dionne) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:39:19 -0400 Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Message-ID: <164ae0bb297-c94-d990@webjas-vaa046.srv.aolmail.net> Roy, It appears that you think that removing both Dock #18 and Dock #19 will solve the problem. I disagree! The only way to actually solve the problem is to dredge the area around the dinghy docks. In order to do that we will have to fight for permission to do the dredging and that will take time and will not be easy or inexpensive. As for your point regarding selling both docks, while there is probably people that would buy them I am sure that we would have to take a significant financial loss. With regard to adding Dock #18 to the end of finger Dock #26, it would raise two issues, (1) it would make its very difficult to enter and exit the Slips at the inner end of the face docks and (2) no doubt require the installation of an additional piling at the end of Dock #18 art a cost of at least $1500 and we would still have to sell Dock #19. There are no easy answers! Arft -----Original Message----- From: Roy Briscoe To: Arthur Dionne ; Board of Directors Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Yep that time line is accurate from what I recall. The unfortunate and unforeseen problem is the extension dock, #18, attached past the piling now puts any dinghy attached to #18 on the rocks at low tide and it blocks any dinghy tied up closer the pier from getting out. I've attached some pictures from a "normal" low tide. You can see that the dinghies attached to the #16 & #17 are floating at low tide, but the ones attached to #18 are high and dry. Note the "Hover Craft" photo. We could sell #18 & #19 to a PYC member or Craigslist it. Or move #18 to the end of #26 and have 2 spots for the launches, but it might make getting out of the face dock slips a bit tight, but it might be OK. And I think we would still need to move some rocks but maybe a lot less of them so they can get around the piling. Not sure what the answer(s) is. Roy Sent from Outlook From: Board on behalf of Arthur Dionne Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 6:25 PM To: board at portsmouthyc.org Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Greetings, As far as I am aware, the small dinghy dock (Dock #19) was purchased and installed in 2016 at a cost of about $4500. At the time that it was installed, it was attached to the end of Dock #17 which is where the longer Dock #18 is now attached. Prior to the present configuration, Dock #18 was positioned in the spot where Dock #19 is presently positioned. The reason for the change in the positions of Dock #18 and Dock #19 was in effort to provide the most space for dinghys on the land side of the dinghy dock area. Obviously, if Dock #18 was in place where Dock #19 is now located it would extend further towards land than Dock #19 does now. We have had the problem of the dinghys grounding for a fairly long time and it appears the problem has gotten worse in spite of our efforts as the configuration of the river bottom surrounding the dinghy area has changed as more material (rocks and sand) has decreased the average depthof the dinghy area at low and high tide. From my point of view, removing Dock #19 will not appreciable help the situation. If it is decided to remove Dock #19, we will have to (1) store Dock #19 in our parking area or (2) sell Dock #19. Storing Dock #19 will result in losing a parking space in the parking lot and selling Dock #19 will most likely result in a financial loss. Whatever option we choose will not appreciable solve the dinghy grounding problem. Regards, Art P.S. Sketch of the configuration of PYC’s docks is attached. -----Original Message----- From: Roy Briscoe To: Board of Directors Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 9:00 pm Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Here are some pictures of the dinghy dock at low tide this past weekend. The tides this weekend were more extreme than usual, but you can see the issue with that last dinghy dock and the rocks. Any you can see how the small "T" extension also causes issues with pushing the dinghies even closer to shore and further into the mud. There are 10 dinghies there and 7 under the pier. So there is plenty of room to tie up the dinghies even if we removed the short extension, which is really just in the way, and the last dock after the pilling. Roy Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgingras at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 09:49:20 2018 From: dgingras at comcast.net (Dan Gingras) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 11:49:20 -0400 Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide In-Reply-To: <164ae0bb297-c94-d990@webjas-vaa046.srv.aolmail.net> References: <164ae0bb297-c94-d990@webjas-vaa046.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: <04db01d41eae$e542a580$afc7f080$@comcast.net> Art, We have a permit to remove the rocks, do you think that could be accomplished with an excavator and “sort of” dredge at the same time. Dan From: Board On Behalf Of Arthur Dionne Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:39 AM To: roysail at hotmail.com; board at portsmouthyc.org Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Roy, It appears that you think that removing both Dock #18 and Dock #19 will solve the problem. I disagree! The only way to actually solve the problem is to dredge the area around the dinghy docks. In order to do that we will have to fight for permission to do the dredging and that will take time and will not be easy or inexpensive. As for your point regarding selling both docks, while there is probably people that would buy them I am sure that we would have to take a significant financial loss. With regard to adding Dock #18 to the end of finger Dock #26, it would raise two issues, (1) it would make its very difficult to enter and exit the Slips at the inner end of the face docks and (2) no doubt require the installation of an additional piling at the end of Dock #18 art a cost of at least $1500 and we would still have to sell Dock #19. There are no easy answers! Arft -----Original Message----- From: Roy Briscoe > To: Arthur Dionne >; Board of Directors > Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Yep that time line is accurate from what I recall. The unfortunate and unforeseen problem is the extension dock, #18, attached past the piling now puts any dinghy attached to #18 on the rocks at low tide and it blocks any dinghy tied up closer the pier from getting out. I've attached some pictures from a "normal" low tide. You can see that the dinghies attached to the #16 & #17 are floating at low tide, but the ones attached to #18 are high and dry. Note the "Hover Craft" photo. We could sell #18 & #19 to a PYC member or Craigslist it. Or move #18 to the end of #26 and have 2 spots for the launches, but it might make getting out of the face dock slips a bit tight, but it might be OK. And I think we would still need to move some rocks but maybe a lot less of them so they can get around the piling. Not sure what the answer(s) is. Roy Sent from Outlook _____ From: Board > on behalf of Arthur Dionne > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 6:25 PM To: board at portsmouthyc.org Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Greetings, As far as I am aware, the small dinghy dock (Dock #19) was purchased and installed in 2016 at a cost of about $4500. At the time that it was installed, it was attached to the end of Dock #17 which is where the longer Dock #18 is now attached. Prior to the present configuration, Dock #18 was positioned in the spot where Dock #19 is presently positioned. The reason for the change in the positions of Dock #18 and Dock #19 was in effort to provide the most space for dinghys on the land side of the dinghy dock area. Obviously, if Dock #18 was in place where Dock #19 is now located it would extend further towards land than Dock #19 does now. We have had the problem of the dinghys grounding for a fairly long time and it appears the problem has gotten worse in spite of our efforts as the configuration of the river bottom surrounding the dinghy area has changed as more material (rocks and sand) has decreased the average depthof the dinghy area at low and high tide. From my point of view, removing Dock #19 will not appreciable help the situation. If it is decided to remove Dock #19, we will have to (1) store Dock #19 in our parking area or (2) sell Dock #19. Storing Dock #19 will result in losing a parking space in the parking lot and selling Dock #19 will most likely result in a financial loss. Whatever option we choose will not appreciable solve the dinghy grounding problem. Regards, Art P.S. Sketch of the configuration of PYC’s docks is attached. -----Original Message----- From: Roy Briscoe > To: Board of Directors > Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 9:00 pm Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Here are some pictures of the dinghy dock at low tide this past weekend. The tides this weekend were more extreme than usual, but you can see the issue with that last dinghy dock and the rocks. Any you can see how the small "T" extension also causes issues with pushing the dinghies even closer to shore and further into the mud. There are 10 dinghies there and 7 under the pier. So there is plenty of room to tie up the dinghies even if we removed the short extension, which is really just in the way, and the last dock after the pilling. Roy Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wsmith5125 at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 10:25:44 2018 From: wsmith5125 at comcast.net (Wesley Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:25:44 -0400 Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide In-Reply-To: <04db01d41eae$e542a580$afc7f080$@comcast.net> References: <164ae0bb297-c94-d990@webjas-vaa046.srv.aolmail.net> <04db01d41eae$e542a580$afc7f080$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9963D8CD-9559-4869-80C0-D321EA2F9799@comcast.net> Dan I have Pickering coming over today or tomorrow to look at replacing a pilling under the pier. Should we talk to them about removing some of the rocks? Wes Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Dan Gingras wrote: > > Art, > > We have a permit to remove the rocks, do you think that could be accomplished with an excavator and “sort of” dredge at the same time. > > Dan > > > > From: Board On Behalf Of Arthur Dionne > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:39 AM > To: roysail at hotmail.com; board at portsmouthyc.org > Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide > > Roy, > It appears that you think that removing both Dock #18 and Dock #19 will solve the problem. I disagree! The only way to actually solve the problem is to dredge the area around the dinghy docks. In order to do that we will have to fight for permission to do the dredging and that will take time and will not be easy or inexpensive. > As for your point regarding selling both docks, while there is probably people that would buy them I am sure that we would have to take a significant financial loss. With regard to adding Dock #18 to the end of finger Dock #26, it would raise two issues, (1) it would make its very difficult to enter and exit the Slips at the inner end of the face docks and (2) no doubt require the installation of an additional piling at the end of Dock #18 art a cost of at least $1500 and we would still have to sell Dock #19. > There are no easy answers! > Arft > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Briscoe > To: Arthur Dionne ; Board of Directors > Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 10:09 pm > Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide > > Yep that time line is accurate from what I recall. The unfortunate and unforeseen problem is the extension dock, #18, attached past the piling now puts any dinghy attached to #18 on the rocks at low tide and it blocks any dinghy tied up closer the pier from getting out. > > I've attached some pictures from a "normal" low tide. You can see that the dinghies attached to the #16 & #17 are floating at low tide, but the ones attached to #18 are high and dry. Note the "Hover Craft" photo. > > We could sell #18 & #19 to a PYC member or Craigslist it. Or move #18 to the end of #26 and have 2 spots for the launches, but it might make getting out of the face dock slips a bit tight, but it might be OK. And I think we would still need to move some rocks but maybe a lot less of them so they can get around the piling. > > Not sure what the answer(s) is. > > Roy > > Sent from Outlook > From: Board on behalf of Arthur Dionne > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 6:25 PM > To: board at portsmouthyc.org > Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide > > Greetings, > As far as I am aware, the small dinghy dock (Dock #19) was purchased and installed in 2016 at a cost of about $4500. At the time that it was installed, it was attached to the end of Dock #17 which is where the longer Dock #18 is now attached. Prior to the present configuration, Dock #18 was positioned in the spot where Dock #19 is presently positioned. The reason for the change in the positions of Dock #18 and Dock #19 was in effort to provide the most space for dinghys on the land side of the dinghy dock area. Obviously, if Dock #18 was in place where Dock #19 is now located it would extend further towards land than Dock #19 does now. > We have had the problem of the dinghys grounding for a fairly long time and it appears the problem has gotten worse in spite of our efforts as the configuration of the river bottom surrounding the dinghy area has changed as more material (rocks and sand) has decreased the average depthof the dinghy area at low and high tide. > From my point of view, removing Dock #19 will not appreciable help the situation. If it is decided to remove Dock #19, we will have to (1) store Dock #19 in our parking area or (2) sell Dock #19. Storing Dock #19 will result in losing a parking space in the parking lot and selling Dock #19 will most likely result in a financial loss. Whatever option we choose will not appreciable solve the dinghy grounding problem. > Regards, > Art > P.S. Sketch of the configuration of PYC’s docks is attached. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Briscoe > To: Board of Directors > Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 9:00 pm > Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide > > Here are some pictures of the dinghy dock at low tide this past weekend. The tides this weekend were more extreme than usual, but you can see the issue with that last dinghy dock and the rocks. Any you can see how the small "T" extension also causes issues with pushing the dinghies even closer to shore and further into the mud. > > There are 10 dinghies there and 7 under the pier. So there is plenty of room to tie up the dinghies even if we removed the short extension, which is really just in the way, and the last dock after the pilling. > > Roy > > > Sent from Outlook > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adjd at aol.com Wed Jul 18 11:12:51 2018 From: adjd at aol.com (Arthur Dionne) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 13:12:51 -0400 Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide In-Reply-To: <04db01d41eae$e542a580$afc7f080$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <164ae6154fa-c94-c9a1@webjas-vab062.srv.aolmail.net> Dan, I haven't seen the actual Permit! It probably notes what we can and can't do! Art -----Original Message----- From: Dan Gingras To: 'Board of Directors' ; roysail Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2018 11:50 am Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Art, We have a permit to remove the rocks, do you think that could be accomplished with an excavator and “sort of” dredge at the same time. Dan From: Board On Behalf Of Arthur Dionne Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:39 AM To: roysail at hotmail.com; board at portsmouthyc.org Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Roy, It appears that you think that removing both Dock #18 and Dock #19 will solve the problem. I disagree! The only way to actually solve the problem is to dredge the area around the dinghy docks. In order to do that we will have to fight for permission to do the dredging and that will take time and will not be easy or inexpensive. As for your point regarding selling both docks, while there is probably people that would buy them I am sure that we would have to take a significant financial loss. With regard to adding Dock #18 to the end of finger Dock #26, it would raise two issues, (1) it would make its very difficult to enter and exit the Slips at the inner end of the face docks and (2) no doubt require the installation of an additional piling at the end of Dock #18 art a cost of at least $1500 and we would still have to sell Dock #19. There are no easy answers! Arft -----Original Message----- From: Roy Briscoe To: Arthur Dionne ; Board of Directors Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Yep that time line is accurate from what I recall. The unfortunate and unforeseen problem is the extension dock, #18, attached past the piling now puts any dinghy attached to #18 on the rocks at low tide and it blocks any dinghy tied up closer the pier from getting out. I've attached some pictures from a "normal" low tide. You can see that the dinghies attached to the #16 & #17 are floating at low tide, but the ones attached to #18 are high and dry. Note the "Hover Craft" photo. We could sell #18 & #19 to a PYC member or Craigslist it. Or move #18 to the end of #26 and have 2 spots for the launches, but it might make getting out of the face dock slips a bit tight, but it might be OK. And I think we would still need to move some rocks but maybe a lot less of them so they can get around the piling. Not sure what the answer(s) is. Roy Sent from Outlook From: Board on behalf of Arthur Dionne Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 6:25 PM To: board at portsmouthyc.org Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Greetings, As far as I am aware, the small dinghy dock (Dock #19) was purchased and installed in 2016 at a cost of about $4500. At the time that it was installed, it was attached to the end of Dock #17 which is where the longer Dock #18 is now attached. Prior to the present configuration, Dock #18 was positioned in the spot where Dock #19 is presently positioned. The reason for the change in the positions of Dock #18 and Dock #19 was in effort to provide the most space for dinghys on the land side of the dinghy dock area. Obviously, if Dock #18 was in place where Dock #19 is now located it would extend further towards land than Dock #19 does now. We have had the problem of the dinghys grounding for a fairly long time and it appears the problem has gotten worse in spite of our efforts as the configuration of the river bottom surrounding the dinghy area has changed as more material (rocks and sand) has decreased the average depthof the dinghy area at low and high tide. From my point of view, removing Dock #19 will not appreciable help the situation. If it is decided to remove Dock #19, we will have to (1) store Dock #19 in our parking area or (2) sell Dock #19. Storing Dock #19 will result in losing a parking space in the parking lot and selling Dock #19 will most likely result in a financial loss. Whatever option we choose will not appreciable solve the dinghy grounding problem. Regards, Art P.S. Sketch of the configuration of PYC’s docks is attached. -----Original Message----- From: Roy Briscoe To: Board of Directors Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 9:00 pm Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Here are some pictures of the dinghy dock at low tide this past weekend. The tides this weekend were more extreme than usual, but you can see the issue with that last dinghy dock and the rocks. Any you can see how the small "T" extension also causes issues with pushing the dinghies even closer to shore and further into the mud. There are 10 dinghies there and 7 under the pier. So there is plenty of room to tie up the dinghies even if we removed the short extension, which is really just in the way, and the last dock after the pilling. Roy Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dgingras at comcast.net Wed Jul 18 15:05:06 2018 From: dgingras at comcast.net (Dan Gingras) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 17:05:06 -0400 Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide In-Reply-To: <9963D8CD-9559-4869-80C0-D321EA2F9799@comcast.net> References: <164ae0bb297-c94-d990@webjas-vaa046.srv.aolmail.net> <04db01d41eae$e542a580$afc7f080$@comcast.net> <9963D8CD-9559-4869-80C0-D321EA2F9799@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00ad01d41edb$020eea30$062cbe90$@comcast.net> I think so. We should look at the permit as Art Suggests, but I think if they used an excavator to remove the rocks, and it’s within the scope of the permit, we could kill two birds with one stone. From: Board On Behalf Of Wesley Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 12:26 PM To: Board of Directors Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Dan I have Pickering coming over today or tomorrow to look at replacing a pilling under the pier. Should we talk to them about removing some of the rocks? Wes Sent from my iPhone On Jul 18, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Dan Gingras > wrote: Art, We have a permit to remove the rocks, do you think that could be accomplished with an excavator and “sort of” dredge at the same time. Dan From: Board > On Behalf Of Arthur Dionne Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:39 AM To: roysail at hotmail.com ; board at portsmouthyc.org Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Roy, It appears that you think that removing both Dock #18 and Dock #19 will solve the problem. I disagree! The only way to actually solve the problem is to dredge the area around the dinghy docks. In order to do that we will have to fight for permission to do the dredging and that will take time and will not be easy or inexpensive. As for your point regarding selling both docks, while there is probably people that would buy them I am sure that we would have to take a significant financial loss. With regard to adding Dock #18 to the end of finger Dock #26, it would raise two issues, (1) it would make its very difficult to enter and exit the Slips at the inner end of the face docks and (2) no doubt require the installation of an additional piling at the end of Dock #18 art a cost of at least $1500 and we would still have to sell Dock #19. There are no easy answers! Arft -----Original Message----- From: Roy Briscoe > To: Arthur Dionne >; Board of Directors > Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2018 10:09 pm Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Yep that time line is accurate from what I recall. The unfortunate and unforeseen problem is the extension dock, #18, attached past the piling now puts any dinghy attached to #18 on the rocks at low tide and it blocks any dinghy tied up closer the pier from getting out. I've attached some pictures from a "normal" low tide. You can see that the dinghies attached to the #16 & #17 are floating at low tide, but the ones attached to #18 are high and dry. Note the "Hover Craft" photo. We could sell #18 & #19 to a PYC member or Craigslist it. Or move #18 to the end of #26 and have 2 spots for the launches, but it might make getting out of the face dock slips a bit tight, but it might be OK. And I think we would still need to move some rocks but maybe a lot less of them so they can get around the piling. Not sure what the answer(s) is. Roy Sent from Outlook _____ From: Board > on behalf of Arthur Dionne > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 6:25 PM To: board at portsmouthyc.org Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Greetings, As far as I am aware, the small dinghy dock (Dock #19) was purchased and installed in 2016 at a cost of about $4500. At the time that it was installed, it was attached to the end of Dock #17 which is where the longer Dock #18 is now attached. Prior to the present configuration, Dock #18 was positioned in the spot where Dock #19 is presently positioned. The reason for the change in the positions of Dock #18 and Dock #19 was in effort to provide the most space for dinghys on the land side of the dinghy dock area. Obviously, if Dock #18 was in place where Dock #19 is now located it would extend further towards land than Dock #19 does now. We have had the problem of the dinghys grounding for a fairly long time and it appears the problem has gotten worse in spite of our efforts as the configuration of the river bottom surrounding the dinghy area has changed as more material (rocks and sand) has decreased the average depthof the dinghy area at low and high tide. From my point of view, removing Dock #19 will not appreciable help the situation. If it is decided to remove Dock #19, we will have to (1) store Dock #19 in our parking area or (2) sell Dock #19. Storing Dock #19 will result in losing a parking space in the parking lot and selling Dock #19 will most likely result in a financial loss. Whatever option we choose will not appreciable solve the dinghy grounding problem. Regards, Art P.S. Sketch of the configuration of PYC’s docks is attached. -----Original Message----- From: Roy Briscoe > To: Board of Directors > Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 9:00 pm Subject: [Board-2018] Dinghy Dock at an low tide Here are some pictures of the dinghy dock at low tide this past weekend. The tides this weekend were more extreme than usual, but you can see the issue with that last dinghy dock and the rocks. Any you can see how the small "T" extension also causes issues with pushing the dinghies even closer to shore and further into the mud. There are 10 dinghies there and 7 under the pier. So there is plenty of room to tie up the dinghies even if we removed the short extension, which is really just in the way, and the last dock after the pilling. Roy Sent from Outlook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: