From adjd at aol.com  Wed Dec  6 10:47:09 2017
From: adjd at aol.com (Arthur Dionne)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 12:47:09 -0500
Subject: [Board-2018] December BOD agenda item
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Doyle and Ron are exactly on point!
Art



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Laurence - Blueberry Bay Farm <info at blueberrybayfarm.com>
To: F DOYLE SKEELS <stardot at comcast.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Sent: Tue, Dec 5, 2017 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Board-2018] December BOD agenda item


    
Roy:
      In further support of Doyle's response, we should never use the      word "profit" in any of our reports or meeting minutes, as this      could be a flag to the IRS that our mission is to make a profit      and thus risk losing our non-profit status ( and thus be      income-taxed). (I experienced this years ago during an audit).
      Ron Laurence
      
      
      On 12/5/2017 2:12 PM, F DOYLE SKEELS wrote:
    
    
            
Roy -
      
      
This  is a common        misconception. There are no "profits" from the Mowers Race. The        only profits we have at the club are from fuel sales and we pay        taxes on  those. There may be a  net flow of funds in or out        from our various activities, but we are, by definition, a        non-profit corporation. All funds that come in go to support        operations of the club. As a non-profit, and not a charitable        organization, we do not make (nor are we expected to        make) donations to other non-profits or government sponsored        organizations as the Rotary Club or a church might do. The only        exceptions we make are token amounts to the cause of a speaker        at one of our dinners or to make a donation in memory of  a         member who passes. We can, of course, set up activities in        conjunction with other organizations to promote sailing, but        giving them money is not an appropriate use of our funds.        Besides, we are going to be lucky to break even  this  year and        I think it is likely 2018 will be negative net funds from        operations.
      
      

      
      
I would be happy        to discuss this further with you if  you wish.
      
      
Doyle
      
      
On December 4, 2017 at 8:46 PM Roy Briscoe        <roysail at hotmail.com> wrote:
        
        
I'd like to add an          item to discuss what to do with the Mower Race profits. We are          going to get a little over $600 for PYC's share of the          Commodores Cup proceeds. Maybe we could think about donating          most to a sailing cause such as UNH Sailing, Portsmouth High          School Sailing team or KPYS Sailing school scholarship(s). The          $600 includes some proceeds from people that paid ahead of          time for the meal, $10/pp, and the rest is profit. T
        

        
        
There are 5 races in          the series so PYC gets 20% of the profits for the series.
        

          Regards,
        

        
        
Roy
      
    
    
    

    
    
-- 
      Ron Laurence      Blueberry Bay Farm      38 Depot Road      Stratham, NH 03885      603-580-1612
  

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From roysail at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  6 10:51:41 2017
From: roysail at hotmail.com (Roy Briscoe)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 17:51:41 +0000
Subject: [Board-2018] December BOD agenda item
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I did a little research on non-profit to non-profit fund transfers and it appears it is legal as long as both organizations are 501C and the organization that the money is given to has a similar mission as the organization giving the money.

http://www.raise-funds.com/can-one-non-profit-donate-money-to-another/
https://www.ptotoday.com/boards/11-robts-rules-bylaws-legal/56262-can-one-501-c-3-donate-to-another-non-profit
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I was asked if one 501(c)(3) non-profit can give money to another 501(c)(3) charity. With the usual, and necessary, caveat of, “I am not attorney, nor am I giving ...
www.raise-funds.com



So PYC can't really give money to OneSky as missions are totally different, but giving money to a non-profit sailing school for scholarships or equipment would probably be ok because it is promoting training for boating, if we wanted to do that.

Some other caveats are no conflict of interest and you can't imperial the financial state of the organization giving the money.

In the past I think the funds from this event have just gone back into the general fund and usually it has been break even so not an issue. The last couple of years this event has been on the plus side by $300 and up. PYC does pretty much nothing to help raise outside funds for the series, the increases have been due to the KPYC Commodores Cup committee getting sponsorships which helps deflect the costs of running and feeding crew the 5 race series which is open to the public.  What PYC does is make a trip to BJs for hotdogs, buns, beer and wine and run the event on the day of the race in honor of Dave Mowers.

KPYC sends us a check for our share after the season is over and this year it is over $600.  Maybe $150 of that is prepaid meals. Some options: We can keep the money or we could play it forward and give back to a sailing non-profit to promote sailing or we could not accept the money and let it roll into next year's Commodores Cup or maybe something else?

Note: no more "profit" other than non-profit...

We can talk next week,

Roy


Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

________________________________
From: F DOYLE SKEELS <stardot at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:12 PM
To: Roy Briscoe; Board of Directors
Subject: Re: [Board-2018] December BOD agenda item


Roy -

This  is a common misconception. There are no "profits" from the Mowers Race. The only profits we have at the club are from fuel sales and we pay taxes on  those. There may be a  net flow of funds in or out from our various activities, but we are, by definition, a non-profit corporation. All funds that come in go to support operations of the club. As a non-profit, and not a charitable organization, we do not make (nor are we expected to make) donations to other non-profits or government sponsored organizations as the Rotary Club or a church might do. The only exceptions we make are token amounts to the cause of a speaker at one of our dinners or to make a donation in memory of  a  member who passes. We can, of course, set up activities in conjunction with other organizations to promote sailing, but giving them money is not an appropriate use of our funds. Besides, we are going to be lucky to break even  this  year and I think it is likely 2018 will be negative net funds from operations.


I would be happy to discuss this further with you if  you wish.

Doyle

On December 4, 2017 at 8:46 PM Roy Briscoe <roysail at hotmail.com> wrote:

I'd like to add an item to discuss what to do with the Mower Race profits. We are going to get a little over $600 for PYC's share of the Commodores Cup proceeds. Maybe we could think about donating most to a sailing cause such as UNH Sailing, Portsmouth High School Sailing team or KPYS Sailing school scholarship(s). The $600 includes some proceeds from people that paid ahead of time for the meal, $10/pp, and the rest is profit. T

There are 5 races in the series so PYC gets 20% of the profits for the series.

Regards,

Roy
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From glennwmichael at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 11:23:59 2017
From: glennwmichael at gmail.com (Glenn Michael)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 13:23:59 -0500
Subject: [Board-2018] December BOD agenda item
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We are giving One Sky some money for their assistance in allowing us to use
their conference room.

Glenn

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Roy Briscoe <roysail at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I did a little research on non-profit to non-profit fund transfers and it
> appears it is legal as long as both organizations are 501C and the
> organization that the money is given to has a similar mission as the
> organization giving the money.
>
> http://www.raise-funds.com/can-one-non-profit-donate-money-to-another/
> https://www.ptotoday.com/boards/11-robts-rules-bylaws-
> legal/56262-can-one-501-c-3-donate-to-another-non-profit
> http://www.corestrategies4nonprofits.com/nonprofit_core/Yes,_Your_
> Organization_Can_Make_a_Donation_to_Another_Organization
> Yes, Your Organization Can Make a Donation to Another ...
> <http://www.corestrategies4nonprofits.com/nonprofit_core/Yes,_Your_Organization_Can_Make_a_Donation_to_Another_Organization>
> CoreStrategies for Nonprofits, Inc. helps philanthropists and
> organizations with vision and a commitment to action make an investment in
> their community.
> www.corestrategies4nonprofits.com
>
>
>
>
> <https://www.ptotoday.com/boards/11-robts-rules-bylaws-legal/56262-can-one-501-c-3-donate-to-another-non-profit>
> Can one 501(c)(3) donate to another non-profit? - PTO ...
> <https://www.ptotoday.com/boards/11-robts-rules-bylaws-legal/56262-can-one-501-c-3-donate-to-another-non-profit>
> Can one 501(c)(3) donate (funds) to another non-profit? This question
> (really about donation of funds, not items) has raised some spirited
> discussion in...
> www.ptotoday.com
>
> Can One Non-Profit Donate Money To Another ... - Raise ...
> <http://www.raise-funds.com/can-one-non-profit-donate-money-to-another/>
> I was asked if one 501(c)(3) non-profit can give money to another
> 501(c)(3) charity. With the usual, and necessary, caveat of, “I am not
> attorney, nor am I giving ...
> www.raise-funds.com
>
>
> So PYC can't really give money to OneSky as missions are totally
> different, but giving money to a non-profit sailing school for scholarships
> or equipment would probably be ok because it is promoting training for
> boating, if we wanted to do that.
>
> Some other caveats are no conflict of interest and you can't imperial the
> financial state of the organization giving the money.
>
> In the past I think the funds from this event have just gone back into the
> general fund and usually it has been break even so not an issue. The last
> couple of years this event has been on the plus side by $300 and up. PYC
> does pretty much nothing to help raise outside funds for the series, the
> increases have been due to the KPYC Commodores Cup committee getting
> sponsorships which helps deflect the costs of running and feeding crew the
> 5 race series which is open to the public.  What PYC does is make a trip
> to BJs for hotdogs, buns, beer and wine and run the event on the day of
> the race in honor of Dave Mowers.
>
> KPYC sends us a check for our share after the season is over and this year
> it is over $600.  Maybe $150 of that is prepaid meals. Some options: We can
> keep the money or we could play it forward and give back to a sailing
> non-profit to promote sailing or we could not accept the money and let it
> roll into next year's Commodores Cup or maybe something else?
>
> Note: no more "profit" other than non-profit...
>
> We can talk next week,
>
> Roy
>
> Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* F DOYLE SKEELS <stardot at comcast.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:12 PM
> *To:* Roy Briscoe; Board of Directors
> *Subject:* Re: [Board-2018] December BOD agenda item
>
>
> Roy -
>
> This  is a common misconception. There are no "profits" from the Mowers
> Race. The only profits we have at the club are from fuel sales and we pay
> taxes on  those. There may be a  net flow of funds in or out from our
> various activities, but we are, by definition, a non-profit corporation.
> All funds that come in go to support operations of the club. As a
> non-profit, and not a charitable organization, we do not make (nor are
> we expected to make) donations to other non-profits or government sponsored
> organizations as the Rotary Club or a church might do. The only exceptions
> we make are token amounts to the cause of a speaker at one of our dinners
> or to make a donation in memory of  a  member who passes. We can, of
> course, set up activities in conjunction with other organizations to
> promote sailing, but giving them money is not an appropriate use of our
> funds. Besides, we are going to be lucky to break even  this  year and I
> think it is likely 2018 will be negative net funds from operations.
>
>
> I would be happy to discuss this further with you if  you wish.
>
> Doyle
>
> On December 4, 2017 at 8:46 PM Roy Briscoe <roysail at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to add an item to discuss what to do with the Mower Race profits.
> We are going to get a little over $600 for PYC's share of the Commodores
> Cup proceeds. Maybe we could think about donating most to a sailing cause
> such as UNH Sailing, Portsmouth High School Sailing team or KPYS Sailing
> school scholarship(s). The $600 includes some proceeds from people that
> paid ahead of time for the meal, $10/pp, and the rest is profit. T
>
> There are 5 races in the series so PYC gets 20% of the profits for the
> series.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy
>
>
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From glennwmichael at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 11:41:52 2017
From: glennwmichael at gmail.com (Glenn Michael)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 13:41:52 -0500
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch
Message-ID: <CAC7tJWa8nEv6PdmUMtr5fY9xybJkH3GgW-HLSB1AoVAZygZrcA@mail.gmail.com>

Good Afternoon,

We have an offer of $6000 for the launch.  It will stay on our property
until docks in and we will put it in the water for the new owner.  The
broker gets $600, leaving us $5400.

If this is acceptable, please let me know.  If you feel we should wait it
out for more, please let me know that as well.  Just e-mail me as I would
like to get an answer back to the broker.

Thank you very much for all of your help,

Glenn
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From pdowey at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 12:11:19 2017
From: pdowey at gmail.com (P Dowey)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 14:11:19 -0500
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch
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After listening to the discussion at the Nov Board Meeting, I vote is to sell.
Pat Dowey

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 6, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Glenn Michael <glennwmichael at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good Afternoon,
> 
> We have an offer of $6000 for the launch.  It will stay on our property until docks in and we will put it in the water for the new owner.  The broker gets $600, leaving us $5400.
> 
> If this is acceptable, please let me know.  If you feel we should wait it out for more, please let me know that as well.  Just e-mail me as I would like to get an answer back to the broker.
> 
> Thank you very much for all of your help,
> 
> Glenn


From adjd at aol.com  Wed Dec  6 13:35:06 2017
From: adjd at aol.com (Arthur Dionne)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 15:35:06 -0500
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch
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Message-ID: <1602d89fcee-1d3b-39be@webjas-vae239.srv.aolmail.net>

Great! Take the deal!
Art



-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Michael <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
To: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 1:41 pm
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch



Good Afternoon,


We have an offer of $6000 for the launch.  It will stay on our property until docks in and we will put it in the water for the new owner.  The broker gets $600, leaving us $5400.


If this is acceptable, please let me know.  If you feel we should wait it out for more, please let me know that as well.  Just e-mail me as I would like to get an answer back to the broker.


Thank you very much for all of your help,


Glenn


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From info at blueberrybayfarm.com  Wed Dec  6 14:04:20 2017
From: info at blueberrybayfarm.com (Ron Laurence - Blueberry Bay Farm)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:04:20 -0500
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch
In-Reply-To: <CAC7tJWa8nEv6PdmUMtr5fY9xybJkH3GgW-HLSB1AoVAZygZrcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC7tJWa8nEv6PdmUMtr5fY9xybJkH3GgW-HLSB1AoVAZygZrcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d761665-4d66-05b4-dfa8-64565963d41c@blueberrybayfarm.com>

Glenn:
I've been away from power boats for a long time, and know nothing about 
that launch, but we probably should not let this opportunity go by.
Ron


On 12/6/2017 1:41 PM, Glenn Michael wrote:
> Good Afternoon,
>
> We have an offer of $6000 for the launch.  It will stay on our 
> property until docks in and we will put it in the water for the new 
> owner.  The broker gets $600, leaving us $5400.
>
> If this is acceptable, please let me know.  If you feel we should wait 
> it out for more, please let me know that as well. Just e-mail me as I 
> would like to get an answer back to the broker.
>
> Thank you very much for all of your help,
>
> Glenn


-- 
Ron Laurence Blueberry Bay Farm 38 Depot Road Stratham, NH 03885 
603-580-1612



From dgingras at comcast.net  Wed Dec  6 14:05:47 2017
From: dgingras at comcast.net (Dan Gingras)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:05:47 -0500
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch
In-Reply-To: <5d761665-4d66-05b4-dfa8-64565963d41c@blueberrybayfarm.com>
References: <CAC7tJWa8nEv6PdmUMtr5fY9xybJkH3GgW-HLSB1AoVAZygZrcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5d761665-4d66-05b4-dfa8-64565963d41c@blueberrybayfarm.com>
Message-ID: <00b301d36ed5$fd2583e0$f7708ba0$@comcast.net>

I agree.   Bird in the hand... so to speak.

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Ron Laurence - Blueberry Bay Farm
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2017 4:04 PM
To: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch

Glenn:
I've been away from power boats for a long time, and know nothing about that launch, but we probably should not let this opportunity go by.
Ron


On 12/6/2017 1:41 PM, Glenn Michael wrote:
> Good Afternoon,
>
> We have an offer of $6000 for the launch.  It will stay on our 
> property until docks in and we will put it in the water for the new 
> owner.  The broker gets $600, leaving us $5400.
>
> If this is acceptable, please let me know.  If you feel we should wait 
> it out for more, please let me know that as well. Just e-mail me as I 
> would like to get an answer back to the broker.
>
> Thank you very much for all of your help,
>
> Glenn


-- 
Ron Laurence Blueberry Bay Farm 38 Depot Road Stratham, NH 03885 
603-580-1612





From lauriec15 at comcast.net  Wed Dec  6 14:07:44 2017
From: lauriec15 at comcast.net (CHARLES)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 16:07:44 -0500
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch
Message-ID: <a4a72556-9fee-4b22-b139-b7f63ef00ece@Lauries-iPhone>

I say the same as Ron...sell it.

Sent from XFINITY Connect App



------ Original Message ------

From: Ron Laurence - Blueberry Bay Farm
To: Board of Directors
Sent: December 6, 2017 at 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch

Glenn: I've been away from power boats for a long time, and know nothing about that launch, but we probably should not let this opportunity go by. Ron On 12/6/2017 1:41 PM, Glenn Michael wrote:>Good Afternoon,>>We have an offer of $6000 for the launch. It will stay on our>property until docks in and we will put it in the water for the new>owner. The broker gets $600, leaving us $5400.>>If this is acceptable, please let me know. If you feel we should wait>it out for more, please let me know that as well. Just e-mail me as I>would like to get an answer back to the broker.>>Thank you very much for all of your help,>>Glenn -- Ron Laurence Blueberry Bay Farm 38 Depot Road Stratham, NH 03885 603-580-1612
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From roysail at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  6 14:45:43 2017
From: roysail at hotmail.com (Roy Briscoe)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 21:45:43 +0000
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch
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Take the deal!  $6K is a good price for the old boat.

Roy


Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

________________________________
From: Board <board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org> on behalf of Glenn Michael <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:41 PM
To: Board of Directors
Subject: [Board-2018] Crosby Launch

Good Afternoon,

We have an offer of $6000 for the launch.  It will stay on our property until docks in and we will put it in the water for the new owner.  The broker gets $600, leaving us $5400.

If this is acceptable, please let me know.  If you feel we should wait it out for more, please let me know that as well.  Just e-mail me as I would like to get an answer back to the broker.

Thank you very much for all of your help,

Glenn
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