From dan at dangingras.net  Thu May  5 04:46:53 2016
From: dan at dangingras.net (Dan Gingras)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 06:46:53 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
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Message-ID: <002401d1a6bb$707424d0$515c6e70$@dangingras.net>

I just want to emphasize that this has already been turned over to the
police.   The chief indicated that we might not have any choice in the
matter.   I think we need to tread very carefully here.   This is a neighbor
and a very prominent member of the community, and he may have a problem
which clouded his judgement.   I'm not sure if the police can talk to him
and not prosecute.   This could have serious future ramifications.  I'd like
to know how contrite he is right now.   Unfortunately alcohol can seriously
cloud people's judgement, and this is a perfect example.

 

Dan

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Nancy
Gulley
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors' <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC

.

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at
this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.
Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to
the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that
this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the
window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our
visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition
along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator
walked around broke into the liquor cabinet - stole liquor purchased for the
Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament - this was a very inebriated member of the club.
The police were contacted - this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all
members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.
We need to know if we want to prosecute - do we want the police to attain a
search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members
driveway partly empty) - do we want the police to just talk to this person
.and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to
this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as
part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated - glass was broken -  stuff was stolen - this
was a member and their membership should be revoked.  

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban
during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc 

(BY THE WAY - THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE
SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

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From wendyclement10 at comcast.net  Thu May  5 05:16:49 2016
From: wendyclement10 at comcast.net (Wendy)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 07:16:49 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <03ee01d1a672$74f152b0$5ed3f810$@com>
References: <03ee01d1a672$74f152b0$5ed3f810$@com>
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This is extremely disturbing on many levels.  It sounds like this person needs some major help which makes me want to be as sensitive  as possible.  I agree that we can not tolerate this type of behavior and their membership needs to be revoked.   It could be revoked with a a gesture that if/when they have received help and are back on track we would consider reinstatement.
I would like to know the family's response once this person is sober and how they will deal with the restitution.

Regards,
Wendy Clement



> On May 4, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Nancy Gulley <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>  
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>  
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>  
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>  
> Nanc
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
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From jgray at promocentric.com  Thu May  5 05:46:53 2016
From: jgray at promocentric.com (Justin Gray)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:46:53 +0000
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
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I agree – hopefully this will be a wake-up call for the member to get help. I personally think prosecuting is too much.

I also think the member should pay for the damages, and agree with others in that he be allowed to be reinstated if/when he/she is back on track

Justin Gray
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From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of David S Wajda
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 10:43 PM
To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] Incident at PYC

We should proceed with expelling him/membership from the club. We cannot accept behavior like this from any member. Doesn't matter to me if we proceed with charging him - being expelled from PYC has personal consequences. Make sure we save copy of video for his file.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 4, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Nancy Gulley <nancgulley at gmail.com<mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com>> wrote:
Good evening,
Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked.

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

Nanc
(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
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From glennwmichael at gmail.com  Thu May  5 06:24:33 2016
From: glennwmichael at gmail.com (Glenn Michael)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:24:33 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
Message-ID: <A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>  
> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
> To: 'Board of Directors'
> Subject: Incident at PYC
>  
> Good evening,
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>  
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>  
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>  
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>  
> Nanc
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
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From dswajda at comcast.net  Thu May  5 06:35:07 2016
From: dswajda at comcast.net (David S Wajda)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:35:07 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <002401d1a6bb$707424d0$515c6e70$@dangingras.net>
References: <03ee01d1a672$74f152b0$5ed3f810$@com>
	<002401d1a6bb$707424d0$515c6e70$@dangingras.net>
Message-ID: <1DD7A50E-2E43-485B-9A1C-576317A30140@comcast.net>

I believe the police wouldn't mind putting matter to rest.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 6:46 AM, Dan Gingras <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
> 
> I just want to emphasize that this has already been turned over to the police.   The chief indicated that we might not have any choice in the matter.   I think we need to tread very carefully here.   This is a neighbor and a very prominent member of the community, and he may have a problem which clouded his judgement.   I’m not sure if the police can talk to him and not prosecute.   This could have serious future ramifications.  I’d like to know how contrite he is right now.   Unfortunately alcohol can seriously cloud people’s judgement, and this is a perfect example.
>  
> Dan
>  
> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Gulley
> Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 10:04 PM
> To: 'Board of Directors' <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
> .
> Good evening,
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>  
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>  
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>  
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>  
> Nanc
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
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From info at blueberrybayfarm.com  Thu May  5 06:37:43 2016
From: info at blueberrybayfarm.com (Ron Laurence - Blueberry Bay Farm)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:37:43 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
	<A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007a01d1a6ca$ec9a12e0$c5ce38a0$@blueberrybayfarm.com>

I agree with Glenn!

 

Ron Laurence

Blueberry Bay Farm

38 Depot Road

Stratham, NH 03885

603-580-1612

www.blueberrybayfarm.com

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com <mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com> > wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked.  

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc 

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

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From jamcadams at comcast.net  Thu May  5 07:56:14 2016
From: jamcadams at comcast.net (James)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
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References: <03ee01d1a672$74f152b0$5ed3f810$@com>
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This is very serious offense and maybe a cry for help at the same time. The member should lose membership and make restitution. 
The By-laws don't seem to explicitly cover member theft of club property and the section on destruction only calls for the repair of the damage. 
  
The Discipline Section describes the process for suspension and expulsion, both can be long, drawn out and public. If we require immediate and voluntary Resignation, the longer process can be avoided and would allow for reapplication and reinstatement if the person gets back on track. 
  
If we can avoid criminal prosecution we can hopefully prevent ruining a life for doing something sophomoric and stupid. 
  
Jim 

  
----- Original Message -----

From: "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> 
To: "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 10:04:27 PM 
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC 



Good evening, 

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left. 

  

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation. 

  

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked.  

  

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow. 

  

Nanc 

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT) 

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From dan at dangingras.net  Thu May  5 07:56:36 2016
From: dan at dangingras.net (Dan Gingras)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 09:56:36 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
	<A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006001d1a6d5$f0ec7c10$d2c57430$@dangingras.net>

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com <mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com> > wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked.  

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc 

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

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From glennwmichael at gmail.com  Thu May  5 08:14:54 2016
From: glennwmichael at gmail.com (Glenn Michael)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 10:14:54 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <006001d1a6d5$f0ec7c10$d2c57430$@dangingras.net>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
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With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
> 
> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.  
>  
> Dan
>  
>  
> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
> To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>  
> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
> To: 'Board of Directors'
> Subject: Incident at PYC
>  
> Good evening,
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>  
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>  
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>  
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>  
> Nanc
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
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From dan at dangingras.net  Thu May  5 08:39:24 2016
From: dan at dangingras.net (Dan Gingras)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 10:39:24 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <7BFD4935-C601-4EBA-84D1-B5AA5DBBFE22@gmail.com>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
	<A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>
	<006001d1a6d5$f0ec7c10$d2c57430$@dangingras.net>
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I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   

 

The last time this happened it was ugly.


Dan

 

 

 

From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> > wrote:

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com <mailto:nancy at gulley.com> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> > <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com <mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com> > wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked.  

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc 

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

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From cccartnick at comcast.net  Thu May  5 09:01:16 2016
From: cccartnick at comcast.net (cccartnick at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:01:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <009e01d1a6db$ebce9cd0$c36bd670$@dangingras.net>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
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Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt. He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot. 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him. The end. There was no vote at an annual meeting. I'm not 
sure it is always required. 

Carole 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> 
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC 



I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution. The BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority. Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself. 



The last time this happened it was ugly. 


Dan 








From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM 
To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org> 
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org> 
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC 





With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc. We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn 



Sent from my iPhone 



On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" < dan at dangingras.net > wrote: 





What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation. 



Dan 






From: Board [ mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org ] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM 
To: nancy at gulley.com ; Board of Directors < board at portsmouthyc.org > 
Cc: < board at portsmouthyc.org > < board at portsmouthyc.org > 
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC 





This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn 



Sent from my iPhone 



On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" < nancgulley at gmail.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>



If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used. 




From: Nancy Gulley [ mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com ] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM 
To: 'Board of Directors' 
Subject: Incident at PYC 




Good evening, 

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment. This morning there was a broken window in the kitchen door. Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed. Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window. We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot. This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left. 



Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club. The police were contacted – this is misdemeanor theft, not a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key. We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on. If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation. 



Our property has been violated – glass was broken - stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 



PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow. 



Nanc 

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT) 




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From nancgulley at gmail.com  Thu May  5 09:12:41 2016
From: nancgulley at gmail.com (Nancy Gulley)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
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I have to say we have had many takes on this problem.  I do not think we ever go after a big fine and probation – removal from the club makes total sense.  The question of has this person been approached – the answer is no, not yet.  I will be meeting with the police this afternoon.  What do you all think about the police approaching this person – saying we have evidence – we will not prosecute but wish restitution for the liquor and the broken window and that he will be hearing from the Board of Directors shortly concerning their family membership?  I do not think we want this totally made public – nor do I think we would ever want a vote at an annual meeting.

 

Nanc

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of cccartnick at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Gingras, Dan; Board of Directors
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.

 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not

sure it is always required.

 

Carole

 

  _____  

From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   

 

The last time this happened it was ugly.


Dan

 

 

 

From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

 

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From nancgulley at gmail.com  Thu May  5 09:16:11 2016
From: nancgulley at gmail.com (Nancy Gulley)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:16:11 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW:  FW: Incident at PYC
Message-ID: <048201d1a6e1$0ef625c0$2ce27140$@com>

 

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:13 AM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: RE: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I have to say we have had many takes on this problem.  I do not think we ever go after a big fine and probation – removal from the club makes total sense.  The question of has this person been approached – the answer is no, not yet.  I will be meeting with the police this afternoon.  What do you all think about the police approaching this person – saying we have evidence – we will not prosecute but wish restitution for the liquor and the broken window and that he will be hearing from the Board of Directors shortly concerning their family membership?  I do not think we want this totally made public – nor do I think we would ever want a vote at an annual meeting.

 

Nanc

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of cccartnick at comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Gingras, Dan; Board of Directors
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.

 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not

sure it is always required.

 

Carole

 

  _____  

From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   

 

The last time this happened it was ugly.


Dan

 

 

 

From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

 

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From dswajda at comcast.net  Thu May  5 09:26:52 2016
From: dswajda at comcast.net (David S Wajda)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:26:52 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
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A few years ago we removed a member for verbal altercation with a fellow member. If he is a prominent member does that mean we have a different standard for him? It is a long process to remove him but he may resign under the circumstances - not in good standing. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Dan Gingras <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
> 
> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.  
>  
> Dan
>  
>  
> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
> To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>  
> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
> To: 'Board of Directors'
> Subject: Incident at PYC
>  
> Good evening,
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>  
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>  
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>  
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>  
> Nanc
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
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From dan at dangingras.net  Thu May  5 09:31:25 2016
From: dan at dangingras.net (Dan Gingras)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:31:25 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
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The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)

 

 

 

From: cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.

 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not

sure it is always required.

 

Carole

 

  _____  

From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> >
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com <mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com> >, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   

 

The last time this happened it was ugly.


Dan

 

 

 

From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> > wrote:

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com <mailto:nancy at gulley.com> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> > <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com <mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com> > wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

 

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From dan at dangingras.net  Thu May  5 09:32:38 2016
From: dan at dangingras.net (Dan Gingras)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:32:38 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
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Also, it was beyond just being rude to the staff… there was underage alcohol involved if I recall correctly.

Dan

 

 

From: cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.

 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not

sure it is always required.

 

Carole

 

  _____  

From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> >
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com <mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com> >, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   

 

The last time this happened it was ugly.


Dan

 

 

 

From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> > wrote:

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com <mailto:nancy at gulley.com> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> > <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com <mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com> > wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

 

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From dswajda at comcast.net  Thu May  5 09:38:34 2016
From: dswajda at comcast.net (David S Wajda)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:38:34 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
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That was actually me and Art was Vice - 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 11:01 AM, cccartnick at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 
> 
> When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.
> 
> The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not
> sure it is always required.
> 
> Carole
> 
> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
> To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
> 
> I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.  
>  
> The last time this happened it was ugly.
> 
> Dan
>  
>  
>  
> From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
> To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
> 
> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.  
>  
> Dan
>  
>  
> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
> To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>  
> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
> To: 'Board of Directors'
> Subject: Incident at PYC
>  
> Good evening,
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>  
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>  
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>  
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>  
> Nanc
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
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From JohnC at Myles.com  Thu May  5 09:45:02 2016
From: JohnC at Myles.com (John Myles)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 11:45:02 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
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Fine with me, drunk is no excuse you are responsible for your actions and suffer the consequences.

Bud

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Gulley
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:13 AM
To: 'Board of Directors' <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I have to say we have had many takes on this problem.  I do not think we ever go after a big fine and probation – removal from the club makes total sense.  The question of has this person been approached – the answer is no, not yet.  I will be meeting with the police this afternoon.  What do you all think about the police approaching this person – saying we have evidence – we will not prosecute but wish restitution for the liquor and the broken window and that he will be hearing from the Board of Directors shortly concerning their family membership?  I do not think we want this totally made public – nor do I think we would ever want a vote at an annual meeting.

 

Nanc

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of cccartnick at comcast.net <mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net> 
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Gingras, Dan; Board of Directors
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.

 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not

sure it is always required.

 

Carole

 

  _____  

From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> >
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com <mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com> >, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   

 

The last time this happened it was ugly.


Dan

 

 

 

From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> > wrote:

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com <mailto:nancy at gulley.com> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> > <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com <mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com> > wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

 

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From jamcadams at comcast.net  Thu May  5 09:58:25 2016
From: jamcadams at comcast.net (James)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:58:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
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Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately? Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws, and press charges. 
  
Jim 
  
  
  

----- Original Message -----

From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> 
To: cccartnick at comcast.net, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org> 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC 



The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.) 

  

  

  


From: cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM 
To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org> 
Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC 


  


Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in -  


  


When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot. 


  


The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not 


sure it is always required. 


  


Carole 


  
----- Original Message -----



From: "Dan Gingras" < dan at dangingras.net > 
To: "Glenn Michael" < glennwmichael at gmail.com >, "Board of Directors" < board at portsmouthyc.org > 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC 


  


I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   

  

The last time this happened it was ugly. 


Dan 

  

  

  


From: Glenn Michael [ mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com ] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM 
To: dan at dangingras.net ; Board of Directors < board at portsmouthyc.org > 
Cc: Board of Directors < board at portsmouthyc.org > 
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC 


  


With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn 


  


Sent from my iPhone 



On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" < dan at dangingras.net > wrote: 





What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

  

Dan 

  

  


From: Board [ mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org ] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM 
To: nancy at gulley.com ; Board of Directors < board at portsmouthyc.org > 
Cc: < board at portsmouthyc.org > < board at portsmouthyc.org > 
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC 


  


This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn 


  


Sent from my iPhone 



On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" < nancgulley at gmail.com > wrote: 

<blockquote>



If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used. 

  


From: Nancy Gulley [ mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com ] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM 
To: 'Board of Directors' 
Subject: Incident at PYC 


  

Good evening, 

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left. 

  

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation. 

  

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked.  

  

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow. 

  

Nanc 

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT) 




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From nancgulley at gmail.com  Thu May  5 10:15:28 2016
From: nancgulley at gmail.com (Nancy Gulley)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 12:15:28 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <1025963754.29987266.1462463905456.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
	<A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>
	<006001d1a6d5$f0ec7c10$d2c57430$@dangingras.net>
	<7BFD4935-C601-4EBA-84D1-B5AA5DBBFE22@gmail.com>
	<009e01d1a6db$ebce9cd0$c36bd670$@dangingras.net>
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Jim,
This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems
the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult
scenario.
N

On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net> wrote:

> Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the
> incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges
> as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately?
> Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws,
> and press charges.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>>
> *To: *cccartnick at comcast.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');>, "Board of
> Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
> The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual
> meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cccartnick at comcast.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');> [mailto:
> cccartnick at comcast.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
> *To:* Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>>; Board of Directors
> <board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
> *Cc:* Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in -
>
>
>
> When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He
> also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.
>
>
>
> The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a
> certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual
> meeting.  I'm not
>
> sure it is always required.
>
>
>
> Carole
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>>
> *To: *"Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');>>, "Board of
> Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD
> has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club
> votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this
> section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the
> member has a right to defend himself.
>
>
>
> The last time this happened it was ugly.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
> *To:* dan at dangingras.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>; Board of Directors <
> board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
> *Cc:* Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines ,
> probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the
> member. Thanks. Glenn
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>> wrote:
>
> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Glenn Michael
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
> *To:* nancy at gulley.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancy at gulley.com');>;
> Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
> *Cc:* <board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>> <
> board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for
> damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancgulley at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am
> not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>
>
>
> *From:* Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancgulley at gmail.com');>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
> *To:* 'Board of Directors'
> *Subject:* Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> Good evening,
>
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at
> this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.
> Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went
> to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that
> this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the
> window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our
> visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition
> along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator
> walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for
> the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>
>
>
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.
> The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as
> all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a
> key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to
> attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of
> the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to
> this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house
> and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our
> property as part of their probation.
>
>
>
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen –
> this was a member and their membership should be revoked.
>
>
>
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban
> during the day tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Nanc
>
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY
> HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
>
>
>
>
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From roysail at hotmail.com  Thu May  5 11:08:16 2016
From: roysail at hotmail.com (Roy Briscoe)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 17:08:16 +0000
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
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References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>,
	<A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>,
	<006001d1a6d5$f0ec7c10$d2c57430$@dangingras.net>,
	<7BFD4935-C601-4EBA-84D1-B5AA5DBBFE22@gmail.com>,
	<009e01d1a6db$ebce9cd0$c36bd670$@dangingras.net>,
	<1623002216.28845215.1462460476221.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>,
	<00ac01d1a6e3$3070c960$91525c20$@dangingras.net>,
	<1025963754.29987266.1462463905456.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>,
	<CAEYcus9NW4-xnRfda-XLEq+Q6Gr3uw-Rxg_=qS0qQtOKgEhzDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU176-W48FDDFDDF7A7B847E51496BC7C0@phx.gbl>

It might be nice to know if this is an ongoing situation for this person or was there something that triggered this recent event?  If it is a recent event that caused this then maybe we need to consider that and have some compassion but they still need to make restitution and be put on probation for example and given a very short leash. But if it is something else then maybe they do need to be dropped from membership whether on their own or with help.
I think we might need some more information before making a final decision.
Roy

Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 12:15:28 -0400
From: nancgulley at gmail.com
To: board at portsmouthyc.org
Subject: Re: [Board] Incident at PYC

Jim,This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult scenario.N

On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net> wrote:
Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately? Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws, and press charges.

 
Jim
 
 
 




From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
To: cccartnick at comcast.net, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC




The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)
 
 
 


From: cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
 


Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.

 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not

sure it is always required.

 

Carole

 




From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 
I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   
 
The last time this happened it was ugly.

Dan
 
 
 


From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

 
Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:


What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   
 
Dan
 
 


From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

 
Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:


If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
 


From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC
 
Good evening,
Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
 
Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
 
Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
 
PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
 
Nanc
(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

 

 		 	   		  
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From wendyclement10 at comcast.net  Thu May  5 11:47:03 2016
From: wendyclement10 at comcast.net (Wendy)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 13:47:03 -0400
Subject: [Board] FW:  FW: Incident at PYC
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References: <048201d1a6e1$0ef625c0$2ce27140$@com>
Message-ID: <5ABE6C1D-63C1-471C-BB7D-78CB98650E68@comcast.net>

I was thinking of suggesting this very thing.
This is a great option and it gives us time to digest the issue.

Regards,
Wendy Clement



> On May 5, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Nancy Gulley <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:13 AM
> To: 'Board of Directors'
> Subject: RE: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> I have to say we have had many takes on this problem.  I do not think we ever go after a big fine and probation – removal from the club makes total sense.  The question of has this person been approached – the answer is no, not yet.  I will be meeting with the police this afternoon.  What do you all think about the police approaching this person – saying we have evidence – we will not prosecute but wish restitution for the liquor and the broken window and that he will be hearing from the Board of Directors shortly concerning their family membership?  I do not think we want this totally made public – nor do I think we would ever want a vote at an annual meeting.
>  
> Nanc
>  
> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of cccartnick at comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 11:01 AM
> To: Gingras, Dan; Board of Directors
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 
>  
> When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.
>  
> The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not
> sure it is always required.
>  
> Carole
>  
> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
> To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.  
>  
> The last time this happened it was ugly.
> 
> Dan
>  
>  
>  
> From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
> To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
> 
> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.  
>  
> Dan
>  
>  
> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
> To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>  
> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
> To: 'Board of Directors'
> Subject: Incident at PYC
>  
> Good evening,
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>  
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>  
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>  
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>  
> Nanc
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
>  
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From JohnC at Myles.com  Thu May  5 12:11:07 2016
From: JohnC at Myles.com (John Myles)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 14:11:07 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <BLU176-W48FDDFDDF7A7B847E51496BC7C0@phx.gbl>
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	<7BFD4935-C601-4EBA-84D1-B5AA5DBBFE22@gmail.com>,
	<009e01d1a6db$ebce9cd0$c36bd670$@dangingras.net>,
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	<00ac01d1a6e3$3070c960$91525c20$@dangingras.net>,
	<1025963754.29987266.1462463905456.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>,
	<CAEYcus9NW4-xnRfda-XLEq+Q6Gr3uw-Rxg_=qS0qQtOKgEhzDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU176-W48FDDFDDF7A7B847E51496BC7C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001201d1a6f9$7fa851e0$7ef8f5a0$@Myles.com>

After giving it further thought I think Roy makes a very good point, if
there are extending circumstances we should consider them and take it from
there.

Bud

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Roy Briscoe
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 1:08 PM
To: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] Incident at PYC

 

It might be nice to know if this is an ongoing situation for this person or
was there something that triggered this recent event?  If it is a recent
event that caused this then maybe we need to consider that and have some
compassion but they still need to make restitution and be put on probation
for example and given a very short leash. But if it is something else then
maybe they do need to be dropped from membership whether on their own or
with help.

 

I think we might need some more information before making a final decision.

 

Roy

  _____  

Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 12:15:28 -0400
From: nancgulley at gmail.com <mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com> 
To: board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> 
Subject: Re: [Board] Incident at PYC

Jim,

This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems the
least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult
scenario.

N

On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net
<mailto:jamcadams at comcast.net> > wrote:

Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the
incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges
as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately?
Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws,
and press charges.

 

Jim

 

 

 

 


  _____  


From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> >
To: cccartnick at comcast.net <mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net> , "Board of
Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual
meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)

 

 

 

From: cccartnick at comcast.net <mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net>
[mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> >; Board of
Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com <mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com>
>
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He
also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.

 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified
letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not

sure it is always required.

 

Carole

 


  _____  


From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> >
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com
<mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com> >, "Board of Directors"
<board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD
has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club
votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this
section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the
member has a right to defend himself.   

 

The last time this happened it was ugly.


Dan

 

 

 

From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net <mailto:dan at dangingras.net> ; Board of Directors
<board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org
<mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines ,
probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the
member. Thanks. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net
<mailto:dan at dangingras.net> > wrote:

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn
Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com <mailto:nancy at gulley.com> ; Board of Directors
<board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
<board at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for
damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com
<mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com> > wrote:

If you have already received this - I apologize for the second copy - I am
not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at
this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.
Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to
the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that
this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the
window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our
visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition
along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator
walked around broke into the liquor cabinet - stole liquor purchased for the
Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament - this was a very inebriated member of the club.
The police were contacted - this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all
members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.
We need to know if we want to prosecute - do we want the police to attain a
search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members
driveway partly empty) - do we want the police to just talk to this person
.and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to
this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as
part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated - glass was broken -  stuff was stolen - this
was a member and their membership should be revoked. 

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban
during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc

(BY THE WAY - THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE
SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

 

 

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From dswajda at comcast.net  Thu May  5 12:25:59 2016
From: dswajda at comcast.net (David S Wajda)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 14:25:59 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <CAEYcus9NW4-xnRfda-XLEq+Q6Gr3uw-Rxg_=qS0qQtOKgEhzDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>
	<A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>
	<006001d1a6d5$f0ec7c10$d2c57430$@dangingras.net>
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Believe me - I know the police won't mind it at all if they don't have to go to court. To avoid embarrassment, he could resign under unfavorable conditions. Then there would be no publicity - board just accepts his letter. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Nancy Gulley <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult scenario.
> N
> 
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately? Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws, and press charges.
>>  
>> Jim
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
>> To: cccartnick at comcast.net, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>> 
>> The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
>> To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>> Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not
>> 
>> sure it is always required.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Carole
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
>> To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The last time this happened it was ugly.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
>> To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>> Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
>> To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>> Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
>> To: 'Board of Directors'
>> Subject: Incident at PYC
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good evening,
>> 
>> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Nanc
>> 
>> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
>> 
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From dan at dangingras.net  Thu May  5 12:43:15 2016
From: dan at dangingras.net (Dan Gingras)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 14:43:15 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <CAEYcus9NW4-xnRfda-XLEq+Q6Gr3uw-Rxg_=qS0qQtOKgEhzDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03f401d1a675$2d0a01b0$871e0510$@com>	<A4CCA8CF-7AED-4451-8B2F-0CD4D6D0BF13@gmail.com>	<006001d1a6d5$f0ec7c10$d2c57430$@dangingras.net>	<7BFD4935-C601-4EBA-84D1-B5AA5DBBFE22@gmail.com>	<009e01d1a6db$ebce9cd0$c36bd670$@dangingras.net>	<1623002216.28845215.1462460476221.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>	<00ac01d1a6e3$3070c960$91525c20$@dangingras.net>	<1025963754.29987266.1462463905456.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <00e201d1a6fd$fc4fcd00$f4ef6700$@dangingras.net>

I agree… this is the best route.

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Gulley
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:15 PM
To: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
Subject: Re: [Board] Incident at PYC

 

Jim,

This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult scenario.

N

On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net <mailto:jamcadams at comcast.net> > wrote:

Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately? Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws, and press charges.

 

Jim

 

 

 

 


  _____  


From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');> >
To: cccartnick at comcast.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');> , "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');> >
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)

 

 

 

From: cccartnick at comcast.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');>  [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');> ] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');> >; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');> >
Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 

 

When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.

 

The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not

sure it is always required.

 

Carole

 


  _____  


From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');> >
To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');> >, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');> >
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.   

 

The last time this happened it was ugly.


Dan

 

 

 

From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');> ] 
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
To: dan at dangingras.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');> >
Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');> > wrote:

What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.   

 

Dan

 

 

From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org');> ] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
To: nancy at gulley.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancy at gulley.com');> ; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');> >
Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');> > <board at portsmouthyc.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');> >
Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC

 

This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn

 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancgulley at gmail.com');> > wrote:

If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.

 

From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancgulley at gmail.com');> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
To: 'Board of Directors'
Subject: Incident at PYC

 

Good evening,

Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.

 

Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.

 

Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 

 

PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.

 

Nanc

(BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)

 

 

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From glennwmichael at gmail.com  Thu May  5 13:16:48 2016
From: glennwmichael at gmail.com (Glenn Michael)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:16:48 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
In-Reply-To: <00e201d1a6fd$fc4fcd00$f4ef6700$@dangingras.net>
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I can live with the immediate resignation and monetary restitution.  Glenn

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 2:43 PM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
> 
> I agree… this is the best route.
>  
> Dan
>  
>  
> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Gulley
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:15 PM
> To: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] Incident at PYC
>  
> Jim,
> This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult scenario.
> N
> 
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net> wrote:
> Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately? Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws, and press charges.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
> To: cccartnick at comcast.net, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)
>  
>  
>  
> From: cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
> To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 
>  
> When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.
>  
> The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not
> sure it is always required.
>  
> Carole
>  
> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
> To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.  
>  
> The last time this happened it was ugly.
> 
> Dan
>  
>  
>  
> From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
> To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
> 
> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.  
>  
> Dan
>  
>  
> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
> To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>  
> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>  
> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
> To: 'Board of Directors'
> Subject: Incident at PYC
>  
> Good evening,
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>  
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>  
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>  
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>  
> Nanc
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
>  
>  
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From nancgulley at gmail.com  Thu May  5 14:27:50 2016
From: nancgulley at gmail.com (Nancy Gulley)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 16:27:50 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
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Here is where we stand. I have spoken to the police officer handling the
case.  He will visit our member on Sunday - i form them he has seen the
video we have,and we will not prosecute if they write an immediate letter
of resignation and pay for the window and liquor that was stolen.  It is
also their suggestion that we state they cannot come on our property alone
or ever as a guest. I need to send an email stating all these facts along
with the total cost of missing and broken items. Please let e know if you
agree with this plan.  If this does not work we will prosecute.
Nanc

On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Glenn Michael <glennwmichael at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can live with the immediate resignation and monetary restitution.  Glenn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 5, 2016, at 2:43 PM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>> wrote:
>
> I agree… this is the best route.
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org');>] *On
> Behalf Of *Nancy Gulley
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:15 PM
> *To:* Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
> *Subject:* Re: [Board] Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> Jim,
>
> This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems
> the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult
> scenario.
>
> N
>
> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jamcadams at comcast.net');>> wrote:
>
> Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the
> incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges
> as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately?
> Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws,
> and press charges.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
> *To: *cccartnick at comcast.net, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org
> >
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual
> meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
> *To:* Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <
> board at portsmouthyc.org>
> *Cc:* Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in -
>
>
>
> When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He
> also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.
>
>
>
> The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a
> certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual
> meeting.  I'm not
>
> sure it is always required.
>
>
>
> Carole
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
> *To: *"Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <
> board at portsmouthyc.org>
> *Sent: *Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD
> has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club
> votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this
> section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the
> member has a right to defend himself.
>
>
>
> The last time this happened it was ugly.
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
> *To:* dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> *Cc:* Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines ,
> probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the
> member. Thanks. Glenn
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
>
> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.
>
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] *On Behalf Of *Glenn
> Michael
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
> *To:* nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> *Cc:* <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for
> damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am
> not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>
>
>
> *From:* Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
> *To:* 'Board of Directors'
> *Subject:* Incident at PYC
>
>
>
> Good evening,
>
> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at
> this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.
> Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went
> to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that
> this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the
> window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our
> visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition
> along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator
> walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for
> the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>
>
>
> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.
> The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as
> all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a
> key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to
> attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of
> the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to
> this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house
> and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our
> property as part of their probation.
>
>
>
> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen –
> this was a member and their membership should be revoked.
>
>
>
> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban
> during the day tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Nanc
>
> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY
> HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From blidberg at ausi.org  Thu May  5 14:38:36 2016
From: blidberg at ausi.org (Dick Blidberg)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 16:38:36 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
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Hi All

I am sorry for not responding earlier but I have been on the road since 
this morning.

My GUESS is that this situation arose from behavior strongly influenced 
by alcohol.  From what I have assessed from the comments, I also believe 
that there was no ill intent directed at the members or the PYC in this 
incident, only a lack of responsibility brought on by overindulgence.  
This lack of responsibility and the actions that resulted, however, can 
not be tolerated within the PYC membership.

My thoughts are that:

We try to keep this from going public as such exposure would only 
reflect poorly on the PYC in the long run.  It might also legally 
complicate the situation far more than it needs to be.  This is an 
internal issue as we are dealing with a member hence should be handled 
internally.  (This assumes that it is a member; a fact that must be 
validated completely.)

We should truly consider Roy's comments and determine if there are 
indeed extenuating circumstances that suggest a need for compassion in 
this situation.

I do think immediate restitution and resignation are appropriate and 
necessary.  If the member's personal situation changes then we can 
consider a possible future reinstatement within the context of the 
reinstatement process as defined in the constitution.

Dick


On 5/5/2016 3:16 PM, Glenn Michael wrote:
> I can live with the immediate resignation and monetary restitution.  Glenn
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 5, 2016, at 2:43 PM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net 
> <mailto:dan at dangingras.net>> wrote:
>
>> I agree… this is the best route.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> *From:*Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Nancy Gulley
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:15 PM
>> *To:* Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org 
>> <mailto:board at portsmouthyc.org>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Board] Incident at PYC
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It 
>> seems the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least 
>> difficult scenario.
>>
>> N
>>
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net 
>> <mailto:jamcadams at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Would the police would go along with approaching the member
>>     regarding the incident, and explaining that we have evidence but
>>     would not press charges as long as he makes restitution
>>     and resigns from the club immediately? Otherwise, we demand
>>     restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws, and press
>>     charges.
>>
>>     Jim
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     *From: *"Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>>
>>     *To: *cccartnick at comcast.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');>, "Board
>>     of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
>>     *Sent: *Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
>>     *Subject: *Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>
>>     The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at
>>     the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)
>>
>>     *From:*cccartnick at comcast.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');>
>>     [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cccartnick at comcast.net');>]
>>     *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
>>     *To:* Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>>; Board of
>>     Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
>>     *Cc:* Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');>>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>
>>     Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in -
>>
>>     When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated
>>     statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member
>>     in the parking lot.
>>
>>     The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a
>>     certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an
>>     annual meeting.  I'm not
>>
>>     sure it is always required.
>>
>>     Carole
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     *From: *"Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>>
>>     *To: *"Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');>>,
>>     "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
>>     *Sent: *Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
>>     *Subject: *Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>
>>     I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.  
>>     The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual
>>     meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3
>>     majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be
>>     public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to
>>     defend himself.
>>
>>     The last time this happened it was ugly.
>>
>>
>>     Dan
>>
>>     *From:*Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','glennwmichael at gmail.com');>]
>>     *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
>>     *To:* dan at dangingras.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>; Board of
>>     Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
>>     *Cc:* Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>
>>     With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with
>>     fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and
>>     terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>     On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net
>>     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan at dangingras.net');>> wrote:
>>
>>         What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.
>>
>>         Dan
>>
>>         *From:*Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org
>>         <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org');>]
>>         *On Behalf Of *Glenn Michael
>>         *Sent:* Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
>>         *To:* nancy at gulley.com
>>         <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancy at gulley.com');>; Board of
>>         Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org
>>         <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
>>         *Cc:* <board at portsmouthyc.org
>>         <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
>>         <board at portsmouthyc.org
>>         <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','board at portsmouthyc.org');>>
>>         *Subject:* Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>
>>         This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse
>>         the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately
>>         terminated. Glenn
>>
>>         Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>         On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley"
>>         <nancgulley at gmail.com
>>         <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancgulley at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>             If you have already received this – I apologize for the
>>             second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to
>>             used.
>>
>>             *From:*Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com
>>             <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nancgulley at gmail.com');>]
>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
>>             *To:* 'Board of Directors'
>>             *Subject:* Incident at PYC
>>
>>             Good evening,
>>
>>             Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for
>>             your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a
>>             broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did
>>             that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to
>>             the security footage and looked to see what happened and
>>             discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage
>>             of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or
>>             more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking
>>             in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial
>>             recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This
>>             person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into
>>             the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the
>>             Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>>
>>             Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated
>>             member of the club. The police were contacted – this is 
>>             misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our
>>             club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a
>>             key. We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want
>>             the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of
>>             liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway
>>             partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to
>>             this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police
>>             go to the house and talk to this person they will never
>>             be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of
>>             their probation.
>>
>>             Our property has been violated – glass was broken -
>>              stuff was stolen – this was a member and their
>>             membership should be revoked.
>>
>>             PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse
>>             with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>>
>>             Nanc
>>
>>             (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST
>>             SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE
>>             WAS PERFECT)
>>



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From glennwmichael at gmail.com  Thu May  5 17:01:44 2016
From: glennwmichael at gmail.com (Glenn Michael)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 19:01:44 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
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Thank you Nancy. We all appreciate you listening to the input of the board. I  am in favor of the plan that you have presented. Glenn

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Nancy Gulley <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here is where we stand. I have spoken to the police officer handling the case.  He will visit our member on Sunday - i form them he has seen the video we have,and we will not prosecute if they write an immediate letter of resignation and pay for the window and liquor that was stolen.  It is also their suggestion that we state they cannot come on our property alone or ever as a guest. I need to send an email stating all these facts along with the total cost of missing and broken items. Please let e know if you agree with this plan.  If this does not work we will prosecute.
> Nanc
> 
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Glenn Michael <glennwmichael at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I can live with the immediate resignation and monetary restitution.  Glenn
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2016, at 2:43 PM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree… this is the best route.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Gulley
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:15 PM
>>> To: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>> This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult scenario.
>>> 
>>> N
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately? Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws, and press charges.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
>>> To: cccartnick at comcast.net, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
>>> To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not
>>> 
>>> sure it is always required.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Carole
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
>>> To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The last time this happened it was ugly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
>>> To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
>>> To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
>>> To: 'Board of Directors'
>>> Subject: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Good evening,
>>> 
>>> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Nanc
>>> 
>>> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
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From wendyclement10 at comcast.net  Thu May  5 17:14:59 2016
From: wendyclement10 at comcast.net (Wendy)
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 19:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Board] Incident at PYC
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I agree.  This sounds like the most reasonable plan.  If they have issue then we can move forward with the legal option.

I feel we are covering ourselves with having a police officer relay the message.  

Regards,
Wendy Clement



> On May 5, 2016, at 4:27 PM, Nancy Gulley <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here is where we stand. I have spoken to the police officer handling the case.  He will visit our member on Sunday - i form them he has seen the video we have,and we will not prosecute if they write an immediate letter of resignation and pay for the window and liquor that was stolen.  It is also their suggestion that we state they cannot come on our property alone or ever as a guest. I need to send an email stating all these facts along with the total cost of missing and broken items. Please let e know if you agree with this plan.  If this does not work we will prosecute.
> Nanc
> 
>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, Glenn Michael <glennwmichael at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I can live with the immediate resignation and monetary restitution.  Glenn
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2016, at 2:43 PM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree… this is the best route.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Nancy Gulley
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:15 PM
>>> To: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jim,
>>> 
>>> This is the approach I would like to talk to the police about.  It seems the least difficult for me...and I am definitely into the least difficult scenario.
>>> 
>>> N
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2016, James <jamcadams at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Would the police would go along with approaching the member regarding the incident, and explaining that we have evidence but would not press charges as long as he makes restitution and resigns from the club immediately? Otherwise, we demand restitution and publicly expel him under the Bylaws, and press charges.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
>>> To: cccartnick at comcast.net, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:31:25 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The constitution requires it.     I recall there was a vote at the annual meeting in that case ( Dr Kosari.)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: cccartnick at comcast.net [mailto:cccartnick at comcast.net] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 11:01 AM
>>> To: Gingras, Dan <dan at dangingras.net>; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Cc: Michael, Glenn <glennwmichael at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hello Board members - please excuse my butting in - 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> When Art Dionne was Commodore, we had a member who mistreated statt.  He also was in a verbal altercation with another member in the parking lot.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The Board agreed to terminate this person's membership and sent a certified letter to him.  The end.  There was no vote at an annual meeting.  I'm not
>>> 
>>> sure it is always required.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Carole
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net>
>>> To: "Glenn Michael" <glennwmichael at gmail.com>, "Board of Directors" <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:39:24 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I suggest that we all re-read Section III of the constitution.   The  BOD has the power to suspend a member pending the Annual meeting where the club votes on expulsion and there must be a 2/3 majority.  Please read this section carefully, there must be public charges brought in writing and the member has a right to defend himself.  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The last time this happened it was ugly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Glenn Michael [mailto:glennwmichael at gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:15 AM
>>> To: dan at dangingras.net; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Cc: Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> With all due respect I feel we should not set precedents with fines , probation, etc.   We should follow the constitution and terminate the member. Thanks. Glenn
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2016, at 9:56 AM, "Dan Gingras" <dan at dangingras.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about a significant fine (say $5000) and probation.  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Michael
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:25 AM
>>> To: nancy at gulley.com; Board of Directors <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Cc: <board at portsmouthyc.org> <board at portsmouthyc.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Board] FW: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> This is inexcusable behavior. This person should reimburse the club for damages and the liquor and be immediately terminated. Glenn
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 4, 2016, at 10:23 PM, "Nancy Gulley" <nancgulley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you have already received this – I apologize for the second copy – I am not sure which email I am supposed to used.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Nancy Gulley [mailto:nancgulley at gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 10:04 PM
>>> To: 'Board of Directors'
>>> Subject: Incident at PYC
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Good evening,
>>> 
>>> Before I get into this email I want to stress it is for your eyes only at this moment.  This morning there was a broken window  in the kitchen door.  Question was how did that happen, but the morning progressed.  Jerry went to the security footage and looked to see what happened and discovered that this was a break in with a lot of footage of the person that broke the window.  We have around 5 or more minutes of excellent footage of our visitor walking in and out of the kitchen with excellent facial recognition along with the car in our parking lot.  This person opened the refrigerator walked around broke into the liquor cabinet – stole liquor purchased for the Kentucky Derby Party on Saturday and then left.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Here is the predicament – this was a very inebriated member of the club.  The police were contacted – this is  misdemeanor theft, not  a felony as all members of our club are allowed to enter the premise at any time with a key.  We need to know if we want to prosecute – do we want the police to attain a search warrant (one bottle of liquor was found at the bottom of the members driveway partly empty) – do we want the police to just talk to this person …and the options go on and on.  If the police go to the house and talk to this person they will never be allowed to be anywhere near our property as part of their probation.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Our property has been violated – glass was broken -  stuff was stolen – this was a member and their membership should be revoked. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> PLEASE SHARE YOU THOUGHTS with me as I need to converse with Officer Gaban during the day tomorrow.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Nanc
>>> 
>>> (BY THE WAY – THE POLICE TOLD ME THIS IS THE BEST SECURITY SYSTEM THEY HAVE SEEN AND THAT ALL THE FOOTAGE WAS PERFECT)
>>> 
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