From blidberg at ausi.org Sun Dec 14 07:11:28 2014 From: blidberg at ausi.org (Dick Blidberg) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:11:28 -0500 Subject: [Board] Fwd: [Pyc-waitlist] email test In-Reply-To: References: <763175797.8991709.1418401026855.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10646.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <7FE7E8C6-6968-4E2F-A857-C4BA832C84B8@comcast.net>

Message-ID: <548D9A90.3010804@ausi.org> Hi All I really dont understand what is going on here as she should never felt she was "being chastised" when she attended with non sponsoring members. I have never heard of this happening before in all my years here. Sounds to me like the board members in question needed a little education..... and maybe we do need a "tweak" that changes the words to "......accompanied by at least one PYC member" Kind of counterproductive to limit the exposure of a wait-listed member to the rest of the membership. On 12/13/2014 3:06 PM, Bill Pelletier wrote: > Update: The only language I could find that would come close to being > a prohibition may be in the Application for Membership document at > http://portsmouthyc.org/WP/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Application-for-Membership-5.pdf > > > On page 4: > > /"Because we are limited to 250 Active Memberships there is > frequently a Wait List for new members. While on the Wait List, > applicants will receive our regular Newsletters. While we regret > that we cannot grant full Club privileges to Wait List/ > /members, we do encourage them to attend our social functions, > always accompanied by at least one sponsor." / > / > / > > Encouraging these Wait List folks to attend social functions is > consistent with the intent of helping fulfill Article IX Section 5. I > personally would stop short of interpreting this as a hard limitation > for Wait List members attending only with Sponsors, especially since > there is no apparent limitation to "Guests" other than "reasonable > numbers". My opinion is that we should not penalize someone from > enjoying the club with non-Sponsor Members based on that one statement. > > The C&BLs set a minimum attendance w/Sponsor requirement, not a > mandate that they can only attend w/s Sponsor. Without knowing any > other particulars about the particular "chastising" event, I would > error on the side of the language in the C&BLs as being only a minimum > requirement. > > Bill P > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Bill Pelletier > > wrote: > > Being one of the "new folks"... A few questions / observations. > > First - since it's been about 14 years or so, could I get a > current copy of the general "...you're on the waiting list..." letter? > > From reading the 2015 Constitution & By-Laws, I do not see any > prohibition for anyone whose application has been accepted and is > now on the Waiting List from being a Guest of any other > non-Sponsor members. Probably the only time I would see that is > for events where there is a limited attendance capacity and where > we would want to first afford non-waiting list prospective members > to attend with their Sponsor(s) in order to fulfill the > requirements of Article IX Section 5. Does anyone have any > historical "practices" (vs. defined C&BL language) regarding what > would appear to me to be an onerous constraint? > > Article IV Section 1 is (to me) a bit fuzzy on the status of > Guests, considering that there is no clear definition of "Guest" > in the C&BLs. Something to think about this year regarding > possible C&BL tweaks. > > Bill Pelletier > > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Christina Y Weller > > wrote: > > BOD members, > > Below is an email from Edie Argo (Wait List) which was sent to > me in response to a test of the PYC-Waitlist email list. She > has asked me to forward this to you, and in a number of later > emails she indicted that she will be writing to you directly > as well. > > The “letter” she refers to in her email is the letter that is > sent to all applicants when they have been interviewed and > accepted to the Wait List. > > Chris > > /Christina Y Weller > 4 Tamarind Lane > Exeter, NH 03833 > cyweller at comcast.net > 603-772-8455 (h) > 603-682-6536 (m)/ > > > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *Date: *December 12, 2014 at 11:17:06 AM EST >> *From: *edie argo > > >> *Reply-To: *edie argo > > >> *To: *Christina Y Weller > > >> *Subject: **Re: [Pyc-waitlist] email test* >> >> Thanks, Christina >> >> Although I am pleased to be a 'potential member' I am MOST >> disappointed that as an individual on the 'wait list' I have >> less authorized ability to attend events than I did prior to >> submitting my application. >> >> I have ascertained that this is , in fact, the case, based on: >> >> * >> the letter I received, >> * >> the personal experience of being 'chastised' by a few >> board members when I attended an event with 2 members who >> are NOT my sponsors >> * >> and the fact that bylaws state that I can only attend >> events with Cathy Nadeau of Steve Demarais. >> >> If the bylaws of PYC had been more clearly explicit that I >> could ONLY attend events as a 'guest ' of my 2 sponsors, I >> would NEVER have applied. >> >> It would have been far better for me , to be a 'perpetual >> guest' than a member 'in waiting'. >> >> As a 'perpetual guest' I was able to attend any event or be >> on the PYC premises at any time as long it was with a PYC >> member. >> >> If this had been clearly stated in the by laws , instead of >> simply being boldly stated verbally by , in my opinion, >> rude PYC board members, I would NEVER have applied. >> >> Oh well, I guess you all received $500 from me and I >> receive no perceived benefit. >> >> Would PYC be able to allow me to write off the $500 as a >> donation? >> >> I understand that I can't get my $500 back; although, I >> believe that legally, I could take PYC to task based on the >> adverse limitations placed on 'wait list' individuals. >> However, I could at least write it off as a donation from my >> business -which I might add, has raised considerable funds >> for PYC over the 3 fashion shows I have done for PYC. >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Edie Argo >> */Edie " the Present is the Perfect time !" /* >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Christina Y Weller > > >> *To:* pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org >> >> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:15 AM >> *Subject:* [Pyc-waitlist] email test >> >> Hi all, >> >> This is a test of the pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org >> email list. If you are >> on this list, you have submitted an application to Portsmouth >> Yacht Club, been interviewed by the Membership Committee, and >> have been accepted to the PYC Wait List. >> >> Please respond to this email if you receive it. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> /Christina Y Weller >> 4 Tamarind Lane >> Exeter, NH 03833 >> cyweller at comcast.net >> 603-772-8455 (h) >> 603-682-6536 (m)/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pyc-waitlist mailing list >> Pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org >> >> http://portsmouthyc.org/mailman/listinfo/pyc-waitlist_portsmouthyc.org >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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<548D9A90.3010804@ausi.org> Message-ID: <000c01d017b8$00c8df10$025a9d30$@dangingras.net> The chastising was not done by a board member… not sure who did. The letter has been tweaked, but there’s a whole backstory to this which I’m happy to tell you if you call me. You are absolutely right about making the place more welcoming. Dan From: Board [mailto:board-bounces at portsmouthyc.org] On Behalf Of Dick Blidberg Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 9:11 AM To: Board of Directors Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: [Pyc-waitlist] email test Hi All I really dont understand what is going on here as she should never felt she was "being chastised" when she attended with non sponsoring members. I have never heard of this happening before in all my years here. Sounds to me like the board members in question needed a little education..... and maybe we do need a "tweak" that changes the words to "......accompanied by at least one PYC member" Kind of counterproductive to limit the exposure of a wait-listed member to the rest of the membership. On 12/13/2014 3:06 PM, Bill Pelletier wrote: Update: The only language I could find that would come close to being a prohibition may be in the Application for Membership document at http://portsmouthyc.org/WP/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Application-for-Membership-5.pdf On page 4: "Because we are limited to 250 Active Memberships there is frequently a Wait List for new members. While on the Wait List, applicants will receive our regular Newsletters. While we regret that we cannot grant full Club privileges to Wait List members, we do encourage them to attend our social functions, always accompanied by at least one sponsor." Encouraging these Wait List folks to attend social functions is consistent with the intent of helping fulfill Article IX Section 5. I personally would stop short of interpreting this as a hard limitation for Wait List members attending only with Sponsors, especially since there is no apparent limitation to "Guests" other than "reasonable numbers". My opinion is that we should not penalize someone from enjoying the club with non-Sponsor Members based on that one statement. The C&BLs set a minimum attendance w/Sponsor requirement, not a mandate that they can only attend w/s Sponsor. Without knowing any other particulars about the particular "chastising" event, I would error on the side of the language in the C&BLs as being only a minimum requirement. Bill P On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Bill Pelletier > wrote: Being one of the "new folks"... A few questions / observations. First - since it's been about 14 years or so, could I get a current copy of the general "...you're on the waiting list..." letter? >From reading the 2015 Constitution & By-Laws, I do not see any prohibition for anyone whose application has been accepted and is now on the Waiting List from being a Guest of any other non-Sponsor members. Probably the only time I would see that is for events where there is a limited attendance capacity and where we would want to first afford non-waiting list prospective members to attend with their Sponsor(s) in order to fulfill the requirements of Article IX Section 5. Does anyone have any historical "practices" (vs. defined C&BL language) regarding what would appear to me to be an onerous constraint? Article IV Section 1 is (to me) a bit fuzzy on the status of Guests, considering that there is no clear definition of "Guest" in the C&BLs. Something to think about this year regarding possible C&BL tweaks. Bill Pelletier On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Christina Y Weller > wrote: BOD members, Below is an email from Edie Argo (Wait List) which was sent to me in response to a test of the PYC-Waitlist email list. She has asked me to forward this to you, and in a number of later emails she indicted that she will be writing to you directly as well. The “letter” she refers to in her email is the letter that is sent to all applicants when they have been interviewed and accepted to the Wait List. Chris Christina Y Weller 4 Tamarind Lane Exeter, NH 03833 cyweller at comcast.net 603-772-8455 (h) 603-682-6536 (m) Begin forwarded message: Date: December 12, 2014 at 11:17:06 AM EST From: edie argo > Reply-To: edie argo > To: Christina Y Weller > Subject: Re: [Pyc-waitlist] email test Thanks, Christina Although I am pleased to be a 'potential member' I am MOST disappointed that as an individual on the 'wait list' I have less authorized ability to attend events than I did prior to submitting my application. I have ascertained that this is , in fact, the case, based on: * the letter I received, * the personal experience of being 'chastised' by a few board members when I attended an event with 2 members who are NOT my sponsors * and the fact that bylaws state that I can only attend events with Cathy Nadeau of Steve Demarais. If the bylaws of PYC had been more clearly explicit that I could ONLY attend events as a 'guest ' of my 2 sponsors, I would NEVER have applied. It would have been far better for me , to be a 'perpetual guest' than a member 'in waiting'. As a 'perpetual guest' I was able to attend any event or be on the PYC premises at any time as long it was with a PYC member. If this had been clearly stated in the by laws , instead of simply being boldly stated verbally by , in my opinion, rude PYC board members, I would NEVER have applied. Oh well, I guess you all received $500 from me and I receive no perceived benefit. Would PYC be able to allow me to write off the $500 as a donation? I understand that I can't get my $500 back; although, I believe that legally, I could take PYC to task based on the adverse limitations placed on 'wait list' individuals. However, I could at least write it off as a donation from my business -which I might add, has raised considerable funds for PYC over the 3 fashion shows I have done for PYC. Sincerely, Edie Argo Edie " the Present is the Perfect time !" _____ From: Christina Y Weller > To: pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: [Pyc-waitlist] email test Hi all, This is a test of the pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org email list. If you are on this list, you have submitted an application to Portsmouth Yacht Club, been interviewed by the Membership Committee, and have been accepted to the PYC Wait List. Please respond to this email if you receive it. Thanks! Chris Christina Y Weller 4 Tamarind Lane Exeter, NH 03833 cyweller at comcast.net 603-772-8455 (h) 603-682-6536 (m) _______________________________________________ Pyc-waitlist mailing list Pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org http://portsmouthyc.org/mailman/listinfo/pyc-waitlist_portsmouthyc.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: