From cyweller at comcast.net  Sat Dec 13 09:04:59 2014
From: cyweller at comcast.net (Christina Y Weller)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:04:59 -0500
Subject: [Board] Fwd: [Pyc-waitlist] email test
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BOD members,

Below is an email from Edie Argo (Wait List) which was sent to me in response to a test of the PYC-Waitlist email list. She has asked me to forward this to you, and in a number of later emails she indicted that she will be writing to you directly as well.

The “letter” she refers to in her email is the letter that is sent to all applicants when they have been interviewed and accepted to the Wait List.

Chris

Christina Y Weller
4 Tamarind Lane
Exeter, NH 03833
cyweller at comcast.net <mailto:cyweller at comcast.net>
603-772-8455(h)
603-682-6536(m)




> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> Date: December 12, 2014 at 11:17:06 AM EST
> From: edie argo <edie at ediespresentperfect.com <mailto:edie at ediespresentperfect.com>>
> Reply-To: edie argo <edie at ediespresentperfect.com <mailto:edie at ediespresentperfect.com>>
> To: Christina Y Weller <cyweller at comcast.net <mailto:cyweller at comcast.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Pyc-waitlist] email test
> 
> Thanks, Christina
> 
> Although I am pleased to be a 'potential member' I am MOST disappointed that as an individual on the 'wait list' I have less authorized ability to attend events than I did prior to submitting my application.
> 
> I have ascertained that this is , in fact, the case, based on:
>  the letter I received,
>  the personal experience of being 'chastised' by a few board members when I attended an event with 2 members who are NOT my sponsors
> and the fact that bylaws state that I can only attend events with Cathy Nadeau of Steve Demarais.
> If the bylaws of PYC had been more clearly explicit that I could ONLY attend events as a 'guest ' of my 2 sponsors, I would NEVER have applied.
> 
> It would have been far better for me , to be a 'perpetual guest' than a member 'in waiting'.
> 
> As a 'perpetual guest' I was able to attend any event or be on the PYC  premises at any time as long it was with a PYC member.
> 
> If this had been clearly stated in the by laws , instead of simply being boldly stated verbally by , in my opinion, rude PYC board members, I would NEVER have applied.
> 
> Oh well, I guess you all received $500 from me and I receive no perceived benefit.
> 
> Would PYC be able to allow me to write off the $500 as a donation?
> 
> I understand that I can't get my $500 back; although, I believe that legally, I could take PYC to task based on the adverse limitations placed on 'wait list' individuals. However, I could at least write it off as a donation from my business -which I might add, has raised considerable funds for PYC over the 3 fashion shows I have done for PYC.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Edie Argo
> Edie " the Present is the Perfect time !"
> 
> From: Christina Y Weller <cyweller at comcast.net <mailto:cyweller at comcast.net>>
> To: pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org> 
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:15 AM
> Subject: [Pyc-waitlist] email test
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This is a  test of the pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org> email list. If you are on this list, you have submitted an application to Portsmouth Yacht Club, been interviewed by the Membership Committee, and have been accepted to the PYC Wait List.
> 
> Please respond to this email if you receive it.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Chris
> 
> Christina Y Weller
> 4 Tamarind Lane
> Exeter, NH 03833
> cyweller at comcast.net <mailto:cyweller at comcast.net>
> 603-772-8455(h)
> 603-682-6536(m)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pyc-waitlist mailing list
> Pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org <mailto:Pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org>
> http://portsmouthyc.org/mailman/listinfo/pyc-waitlist_portsmouthyc.org <http://portsmouthyc.org/mailman/listinfo/pyc-waitlist_portsmouthyc.org>
> 
> 

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From bill.pelletier at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 12:28:11 2014
From: bill.pelletier at gmail.com (Bill Pelletier)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:28:11 -0500
Subject: [Board] Fwd: [Pyc-waitlist] email test
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Being one of the "new folks"...  A few questions / observations.

First - since it's been about 14 years or so, could I get a current copy of
the general "...you're on the waiting list..." letter?

>From reading the 2015 Constitution & By-Laws, I do not see any prohibition
for anyone whose application has been accepted and is now on the Waiting
List from being a Guest of any other non-Sponsor members. Probably the only
time I would see that is for events where there is a limited attendance
capacity and where we would want to first afford non-waiting list
prospective members to attend with their Sponsor(s) in order to fulfill the
requirements of Article IX Section 5.  Does anyone have any historical
"practices" (vs. defined C&BL language) regarding what would appear to me
to be an onerous constraint?

Article IV Section 1 is (to me) a bit fuzzy on the status of Guests,
considering that there is no clear definition of "Guest" in the C&BLs.
Something to think about this year regarding possible C&BL tweaks.

Bill Pelletier


On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Christina Y Weller <cyweller at comcast.net>
wrote:
>
> BOD members,
>
> Below is an email from Edie Argo (Wait List) which was sent to me in
> response to a test of the PYC-Waitlist email list. She has asked me to
> forward this to you, and in a number of later emails she indicted that she
> will be writing to you directly as well.
>
> The “letter” she refers to in her email is the letter that is sent to all
> applicants when they have been interviewed and accepted to the Wait List.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Christina Y Weller4 Tamarind LaneExeter, NH 03833cyweller at comcast.net
> <cyweller at comcast.net>603-772-8455 <603-772-8455>(h)603-682-6536
> <603-682-6536>(m)*
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *Date: *December 12, 2014 at 11:17:06 AM EST
> *From: *edie argo <edie at ediespresentperfect.com>
> *Reply-To: *edie argo <edie at ediespresentperfect.com>
> *To: *Christina Y Weller <cyweller at comcast.net>
> *Subject: **Re: [Pyc-waitlist] email test*
>
> Thanks, Christina
>
> Although I am pleased to be a 'potential member' I am MOST disappointed
> that as an individual on the 'wait list' I have less authorized ability to
> attend events than I did prior to submitting my application.
>
> I have ascertained that this is , in fact, the case, based on:
>
>    -  the letter I received,
>    -  the personal experience of being 'chastised' by a few board members
>    when I attended an event with 2 members who are NOT my sponsors
>    - and the fact that bylaws state that I can only attend events with
>    Cathy Nadeau of Steve Demarais.
>
> If the bylaws of PYC had been more clearly explicit that I could ONLY
> attend events as a 'guest ' of my 2 sponsors, I would NEVER have applied.
>
> It would have been far better for me , to be a 'perpetual guest' than a
> member 'in waiting'.
>
> As a 'perpetual guest' I was able to attend any event or be on the PYC
>  premises at any time as long it was with a PYC member.
>
> If this had been clearly stated in the by laws , instead of simply being
> boldly stated verbally by , in my opinion, rude PYC board members, I would
> NEVER have applied.
>
> Oh well, I guess you all received $500 from me and I receive no
> perceived benefit.
>
> Would PYC be able to allow me to write off the $500 as a donation?
>
> I understand that I can't get my $500 back; although, I believe that
> legally, I could take PYC to task based on the adverse limitations placed
> on 'wait list' individuals. However, I could at least write it off as a
> donation from my business -which I might add, has raised considerable funds
> for PYC over the 3 fashion shows I have done for PYC.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Edie Argo
> *Edie " the Present is the Perfect time !" *
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Christina Y Weller <cyweller at comcast.net>
> *To:* pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org
> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:15 AM
> *Subject:* [Pyc-waitlist] email test
>
> Hi all,
>
> This is a  test of the pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org email list. If you
> are on this list, you have submitted an application to Portsmouth Yacht
> Club, been interviewed by the Membership Committee, and have been accepted
> to the PYC Wait List.
>
> Please respond to this email if you receive it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Christina Y Weller4 Tamarind LaneExeter, NH 03833cyweller at comcast.net
> <cyweller at comcast.net>603-772-8455 <603-772-8455>(h)603-682-6536
> <603-682-6536>(m)*
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pyc-waitlist mailing list
> Pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org
> http://portsmouthyc.org/mailman/listinfo/pyc-waitlist_portsmouthyc.org
>
>
>
>
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From bill.pelletier at gmail.com  Sat Dec 13 13:06:21 2014
From: bill.pelletier at gmail.com (Bill Pelletier)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:06:21 -0500
Subject: [Board] Fwd: [Pyc-waitlist] email test
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Update: The only language I could find that would come close to being a
prohibition may be in the Application for Membership document at
http://portsmouthyc.org/WP/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Application-for-Membership-5.pdf


On page 4:

*"Because we are limited to 250 Active Memberships there is frequently a
Wait List for new members. While on the Wait List, applicants will receive
our regular Newsletters. While we regret that we cannot grant full Club
privileges to Wait List*
*members, we do encourage them to attend our social functions, always
accompanied by at least one sponsor." *

Encouraging these Wait List folks to attend social functions is consistent
with the intent of helping fulfill Article IX Section 5. I personally would
stop short of interpreting this as a hard limitation for Wait List members
attending only with Sponsors, especially since there is no apparent
limitation to "Guests" other than "reasonable numbers".  My opinion is that
we should not penalize someone from enjoying the club with non-Sponsor
Members based on that one statement.

The C&BLs set a minimum attendance w/Sponsor requirement, not a mandate
that they can only attend w/s Sponsor. Without knowing any other
particulars about the particular "chastising" event, I would error on the
side of the language in the C&BLs as being only a minimum requirement.

Bill P





On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Bill Pelletier <bill.pelletier at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Being one of the "new folks"...  A few questions / observations.
>
> First - since it's been about 14 years or so, could I get a current copy
> of the general "...you're on the waiting list..." letter?
>
> From reading the 2015 Constitution & By-Laws, I do not see any prohibition
> for anyone whose application has been accepted and is now on the Waiting
> List from being a Guest of any other non-Sponsor members. Probably the only
> time I would see that is for events where there is a limited attendance
> capacity and where we would want to first afford non-waiting list
> prospective members to attend with their Sponsor(s) in order to fulfill the
> requirements of Article IX Section 5.  Does anyone have any historical
> "practices" (vs. defined C&BL language) regarding what would appear to me
> to be an onerous constraint?
>
> Article IV Section 1 is (to me) a bit fuzzy on the status of Guests,
> considering that there is no clear definition of "Guest" in the C&BLs.
> Something to think about this year regarding possible C&BL tweaks.
>
> Bill Pelletier
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Christina Y Weller <cyweller at comcast.net
> > wrote:
>>
>> BOD members,
>>
>> Below is an email from Edie Argo (Wait List) which was sent to me in
>> response to a test of the PYC-Waitlist email list. She has asked me to
>> forward this to you, and in a number of later emails she indicted that she
>> will be writing to you directly as well.
>>
>> The “letter” she refers to in her email is the letter that is sent to all
>> applicants when they have been interviewed and accepted to the Wait List.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Christina Y Weller4 Tamarind LaneExeter, NH 03833cyweller at comcast.net
>> <cyweller at comcast.net>603-772-8455 <603-772-8455>(h)603-682-6536
>> <603-682-6536>(m)*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *Date: *December 12, 2014 at 11:17:06 AM EST
>> *From: *edie argo <edie at ediespresentperfect.com>
>> *Reply-To: *edie argo <edie at ediespresentperfect.com>
>> *To: *Christina Y Weller <cyweller at comcast.net>
>> *Subject: **Re: [Pyc-waitlist] email test*
>>
>> Thanks, Christina
>>
>> Although I am pleased to be a 'potential member' I am MOST disappointed
>> that as an individual on the 'wait list' I have less authorized ability to
>> attend events than I did prior to submitting my application.
>>
>> I have ascertained that this is , in fact, the case, based on:
>>
>>    -  the letter I received,
>>    -  the personal experience of being 'chastised' by a few board
>>    members when I attended an event with 2 members who are NOT my sponsors
>>    - and the fact that bylaws state that I can only attend events with
>>    Cathy Nadeau of Steve Demarais.
>>
>> If the bylaws of PYC had been more clearly explicit that I could ONLY
>> attend events as a 'guest ' of my 2 sponsors, I would NEVER have applied.
>>
>> It would have been far better for me , to be a 'perpetual guest' than a
>> member 'in waiting'.
>>
>> As a 'perpetual guest' I was able to attend any event or be on the PYC
>>  premises at any time as long it was with a PYC member.
>>
>> If this had been clearly stated in the by laws , instead of simply being
>> boldly stated verbally by , in my opinion, rude PYC board members, I would
>> NEVER have applied.
>>
>> Oh well, I guess you all received $500 from me and I receive no
>> perceived benefit.
>>
>> Would PYC be able to allow me to write off the $500 as a donation?
>>
>> I understand that I can't get my $500 back; although, I believe that
>> legally, I could take PYC to task based on the adverse limitations placed
>> on 'wait list' individuals. However, I could at least write it off as a
>> donation from my business -which I might add, has raised considerable funds
>> for PYC over the 3 fashion shows I have done for PYC.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Edie Argo
>> *Edie " the Present is the Perfect time !" *
>>
>>   ------------------------------
>>  *From:* Christina Y Weller <cyweller at comcast.net>
>> *To:* pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:15 AM
>> *Subject:* [Pyc-waitlist] email test
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is a  test of the pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org email list. If you
>> are on this list, you have submitted an application to Portsmouth Yacht
>> Club, been interviewed by the Membership Committee, and have been accepted
>> to the PYC Wait List.
>>
>> Please respond to this email if you receive it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Christina Y Weller4 Tamarind LaneExeter, NH 03833cyweller at comcast.net
>> <cyweller at comcast.net>603-772-8455 <603-772-8455>(h)603-682-6536
>> <603-682-6536>(m)*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pyc-waitlist mailing list
>> Pyc-waitlist at portsmouthyc.org
>> http://portsmouthyc.org/mailman/listinfo/pyc-waitlist_portsmouthyc.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
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